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"Scooter" <s.coghlan.TakeThisOut@shaw.nospamca> wrote in message
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> What's going on there in the "Hub"? Why can't this team get people
> out to watch? Most of the reasons for boycotting the team appear to
> be gone, yet they can't draw flies. Is this still Jacobs resentment,
> or have they lost fans for good? Is the old guard too cynical to come
> back? Basically JJ has done what the fans wanted him to do and he is
> getting this result. I'd be pissed if I were him. Why spend to the
> cap if your fans don't seem to care? Easy for me to say, sitting a
> thousand miles away and unable to come out, but I'm worried that if
> Boston Hockey Fan's don't get off their collective asses (read
> wallets) soon, this rebuilding will come to a screeching halt.


I just read that attendance is down across the league but I think everyone
has valid points as far as the Bruins are concerned: JJ screwing us around
and ticket prices haven't helped the situation, but the product isn't
exactly exciting to watch and that's the killer.
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"Scooter" <s.coghlan.DeleteThis@shaw.nospamca> wrote in message
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> What's going on there in the "Hub"? Why can't this team get people
> out to watch? Most of the reasons for boycotting the team appear to
> be gone, yet they can't draw flies. Is this still Jacobs resentment,
> or have they lost fans for good? Is the old guard too cynical to come
> back? Basically JJ has done what the fans wanted him to do and he is
> getting this result. I'd be pissed if I were him. Why spend to the
> cap if your fans don't seem to care? Easy for me to say, sitting a
> thousand miles away and unable to come out, but I'm worried that if
> Boston Hockey Fan's don't get off their collective asses (read
> wallets) soon, this rebuilding will come to a screeching halt.

And if you believe those attendance numbers their putting out you need you
head examined...

No one hits, no one fights... no one hustles...

Simple
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>
>Jeremy Jacobs : without a doubt, the worst owner in the NHL.

I respectfully disagree. Charles Wong and Wirtz outdistance JJ by a
mile.

A backup goalie straight off the bench as your GM? After 40 days with
a new GM? A Chinese guy running your hockey operation with no
experience other than running software companies?

Wirtz - the old "no games on TV so my gate is higher". His team hasn't
threatened to make the playoffs in how long?

Sorry, there is doubt. JJ is a solid #28 on my list, or #3 depending
on how you look at it.
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DavidG- wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:10:37 GMT, Scooter wrote:
>
> > What's going on there in the "Hub"? Why can't this team get people
> > out to watch? Most of the reasons for boycotting the team appear to
> > be gone, yet they can't draw flies. Is this still Jacobs resentment,
> > or have they lost fans for good? Is the old guard too cynical to come
> > back? Basically JJ has done what the fans wanted him to do and he is
> > getting this result. I'd be pissed if I were him. Why spend to the
> > cap if your fans don't seem to care? Easy for me to say, sitting a
> > thousand miles away and unable to come out, but I'm worried that if
> > Boston Hockey Fan's don't get off their collective asses (read
> > wallets) soon, this rebuilding will come to a screeching halt.
>
> For me it's too expensive. I have never been to a bruins game...would love
> to go, but I can't afford to bring my family out. I'm an hour from the
> "Garden", but 5 minutes from UNH. I can got to 10 UNH games and have great
> seats for a lot less $$$.

Money's a huge factor. As is the social disease know as "instant
gradification".
Blaming it on the owner is short-sighted. Jacobs was the owner when it
was
hard to get a ticket. The year before the lockout the B's were a 100
point team.
People don't really show up until the Pats season is over. If the Pats
were 2-10
the B's would probably be doing a little better at the gate. Boston's
like any
other U.S. town, only follow the team if it wins.
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Bog53 wrote:
> Money's a huge factor. As is the social disease know as "instant
> gradification".
> Blaming it on the owner is short-sighted. Jacobs was the owner when it
> was
> hard to get a ticket.

I agree with people supporting a winner...but I don't think it is
necessarily short sighted to blame ownership too. Even during the
winning years, the B's were run in a way that many fans found to be,
umm, un-good? (I'm hungover...so cut me some slack...lol)

Were the fans right? Doesn't matter...fans pay the freight. Add in the
last couple of years where the B's appeared to be a rudderless ship, the
Sox becoming uber-trendy, the Pats becoming a force...and what does it
add up to?

An empty Fleet Center, or whatever they call it now (I absolutely REFUSE
to call it the Garden. It isn't, and it never will be. Not to mention
in two years it will be called something else anyway.)
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:18:03 -0500, Bitter Beezy
<conley_rich DeleteThis @_REMOVE_THIScomcast.net> wrote:

>
>>
>>Jeremy Jacobs : without a doubt, the worst owner in the NHL.
>
>I respectfully disagree. Charles Wong and Wirtz outdistance JJ by a
>mile.
>
>A backup goalie straight off the bench as your GM? After 40 days with
>a new GM? A Chinese guy running your hockey operation with no
>experience other than running software companies?
>
>Wirtz - the old "no games on TV so my gate is higher". His team hasn't
>threatened to make the playoffs in how long?
>
>Sorry, there is doubt. JJ is a solid #28 on my list, or #3 depending
>on how you look at it.

I wonder what he has to do to move up on that list? He has spent to
the cap, relaced old management with new, overhauled the scouting,
even the Garden underwent a facelift. Then the franchise signed top
quality free agents (Chara and Savard beat Lapointe and Zamnov pretty
clearly). Ownership/management has done a pretty good job, and the
team starting to win, so when does the attendance start to reflect
that? When is JJ no longer the villian?
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>
>I wonder what he has to do to move up on that list? He has spent to
>the cap, relaced old management with new, overhauled the scouting,
>even the Garden underwent a facelift. Then the franchise signed top
>quality free agents (Chara and Savard beat Lapointe and Zamnov pretty
>clearly). Ownership/management has done a pretty good job, and the
>team starting to win, so when does the attendance start to reflect
>that? When is JJ no longer the villian?

I actually don't think he's #28 in reality. Just saying he isn't the
worst. You could throw NYR, Philly, Vancouver as good hockey cities
where management at the top that has let certain things go on too long
and sent a franchise into a real rut for a prolonged period.
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Scooter wrote:
>
> I wonder what he has to do to move up on that list?

It took years to develop his reputation, earned or not. It can't be
'fixed' over night.

> even the Garden underwent a facelift.

The Garden was demolished years ago. ;)
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:01:47 -0500, Bitter Beezy
<conley_rich.RemoveThis@_REMOVE_THIScomcast.net> wrote:


>
>I actually don't think he's #28 in reality. Just saying he isn't the
>worst. You could throw NYR, Philly, Vancouver as good hockey cities
>where management at the top that has let certain things go on too long
>and sent a franchise into a real rut for a prolonged period.

Toronto, have they ever recovered from Harold Ballard?
Do you remember how bad the Wings were through to the late 80's? There
was 20 years of terrible hockey in "Hockey Town".
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:06:02 -0500, smacdo <fake DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:

>Scooter wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what he has to do to move up on that list?
>
>It took years to develop his reputation, earned or not. It can't be
>'fixed' over night.
>
>> even the Garden underwent a facelift.
>
>The Garden was demolished years ago. ;)

TD Banknorth, smarta...

I was thinking of the old Garden, with 14,500 jammed in there, banging
on ductwork and steel posts blocking their view. Screaming so loud
you couldn't hear the whistle. Didn't things change in Boston when
the new Fleet Center was opened? IIRC the team wasn't very good then,
but it looked like the atmosphere was brutal there for a while. To
those who go regularly, is it better now?
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I know where JJ lives in East Aurora, NY...wanna trip to throw snowballs at
his house? lol

"smacdo" <fake.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Bog53 wrote:
>> Money's a huge factor. As is the social disease know as "instant
>> gradification".
>> Blaming it on the owner is short-sighted. Jacobs was the owner when it
>> was
>> hard to get a ticket.
>
> I agree with people supporting a winner...but I don't think it is
> necessarily short sighted to blame ownership too. Even during the winning
> years, the B's were run in a way that many fans found to be, umm, un-good?
> (I'm hungover...so cut me some slack...lol)
>
> Were the fans right? Doesn't matter...fans pay the freight. Add in the
> last couple of years where the B's appeared to be a rudderless ship, the
> Sox becoming uber-trendy, the Pats becoming a force...and what does it add
> up to?
>
> An empty Fleet Center, or whatever they call it now (I absolutely REFUSE
> to call it the Garden. It isn't, and it never will be. Not to mention in
> two years it will be called something else anyway.)
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DavidG- wrote:

> For me it's too expensive. I have never been to a bruins game...would love
> to go, but I can't afford to bring my family out. I'm an hour from the
> "Garden", but 5 minutes from UNH. I can got to 10 UNH games and have great
> seats for a lot less $$$.
> --
> DavidG-
> Long time lurker....occasional poster...
>


Actually this is a bit of a misconception. It may actually cost you
less and, at the moment, you can find tickets.

Ex: When UNH is top in their game it is almost impossible to get 4
tickets as I've tried to bring my family. Example, you can go watch
them play UMass for something like $20/ticket this January through
Ticketmaster or if you want to see them play Dartmouth with the service
charges I believe the ticket is about $30/ticket in Manchester.
Currently, and for the past 3-4 years, the Bruins have had family
packages of 4 tickets for $99 for certain games and 3-6 pack of tickets
to different games that work out to be about $30-40/ticket. I
believe all these packages can be purchased directly off the website
without ticketmaster charges.

Next is the parking - UNH parking is free on the street when you can
find it, Verizon center is $10 in the garage and free when you can find
it, parking in Boston can be had for $7 [or less] with a "similar walk
to the UNH parking lot"...Sure you can't take the elevator to the
entrance, but it is a lot easier getting in/out of the game. If you
need directions send me email.

Jay
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