Artoo blows a circuit

"James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent that
> never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how much
> attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league looks in
> their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to games.
>
> --
> Semper Fi,
> J


I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.
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James & Tara Adams wrote:
> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent that
> never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how much
> attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league looks in
> their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to games.
>

The league DOES look in their own back yard. Haven't you noticed that
the majority of the talent pool is North American? Yeah, the Europeans
are all over the place but this isn't an issue of Foreigner vs. North
Americans. Talent lands where it belongs with regards to competitive
play level. The Junior and College kids who have it make it to the NHL.
Those who don't have it yet develop in the AHL and ECHL... Those who
will never have it either stick in those two leagues or play at lower
levels and beer leagues.

With the Euros -- same thing.

Artoo (and Nik for that matter) aren't issues of foreign talent selling
out the team as-so-much money issues and the new reality of the salary
cap. Jay Feaster could have made the same "Spit in our face" assertion
to Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis, Dan Boyle, Corey
Sarich and the like for demanding more money than the team could afford
to pay them. The issue with Artoo is the Salary structure that his
agent was trying to circumvent -- trying to make more money than Ryan
Craig who got a bottom-of-the-barrel deal but contributes more to the
Lightning than Artoo did. It could have happened with anyone from any
continent on the earth playing in the NHL.

As for Nik -- I'm surprised people are still crying over that spilt
milk... ESPECIALLY after the horrendous season he had in Chicago. Nik
did what everyone was doing last offseason and took the money before the
Cap reality started sinking teams. It wasn't a
questionable-Euro-loyalty thing as he was in for a payday wherever he
went or stayed. The cap reality is effecting the Bolts right now, and
the Cap reality has influenced other teams (ie Ottawa) to make moves to
remain competative as well as below the cap. It's a general labor issue
when the players realize they will have to start sacrificing financially
for the sake of the team instead of looking to fluff their egos. You
may want to read that as a Euro vs. North American thing, but your
missing the bigger picture if you're going to do that.
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> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826.RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent
>> that never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how
>> much attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league
>> looks in their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to
>> games.
>>
>> --
>> Semper Fi,
>> J
>
>
> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.

I hope this is sarcasm.......
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John F busily composed on 8/8/2006 :

> James & Tara Adams wrote:
>> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent that
>> never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how much
>> attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league looks in
>> their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to games.
>>
>
> The league DOES look in their own back yard. Haven't you noticed that the
> majority of the talent pool is North American? Yeah, the Europeans are all
> over the place but this isn't an issue of Foreigner vs. North Americans.

I did a quick search and the figures I found as of 2/4/2006 indicated
that there were 523 NHL players from Canada/USA and 192 from 7 European
countries.

> Talent lands where it belongs with regards to competitive play level. The
> Junior and College kids who have it make it to the NHL. Those who don't
> have it yet develop in the AHL and ECHL... Those who will never have it
> either stick in those two leagues or play at lower levels and beer leagues.
>
> With the Euros -- same thing.

I'd much rather have a Russian goalie like Khabby than a North American
(or from *anywhere*) of far lower talent level, that seems like a
no-brainer to me. The point is to win, to win you need the best
players you can get & I don't care where they come from if they help us
win a Cup.

> Artoo (and Nik for that matter) aren't issues of foreign talent selling out
> the team as-so-much money issues and the new reality of the salary cap. Jay
> Feaster could have made the same "Spit in our face" assertion to Vincent
> Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis, Dan Boyle, Corey Sarich and the
> like for demanding more money than the team could afford to pay them.

Well, Sarich took less than anyone expected & Boyle hasn't been up for
renewal, so that doesn't really apply to them. Of the players you
listed, I think St. Louis & Richards are the worst offenders - Marty
for whining because he had to be the team's highest paid player (and
now we have 5 more years of albatross contract with a NTC) and Richards
for claiming to be working on a deal that would leave lots of cap room
for a #1 goalie and then taking almost the *entire* cap increase for
himself. This after voicing concern the year before that Vinny's
salary wouldn't leave enough to sign other players... As for Vinny
demanding more than the team could pay -- I don't know. There was
never a word printed (that I can recall) about his negotiations, just a
sudden announcement he was signed. Never got to hear any lurid details
about what he asked for, what we offered & how they got to where they
did. Would be interesting to know how it all worked out.

> As for Nik -- I'm surprised people are still crying over that spilt milk...
> ESPECIALLY after the horrendous season he had in Chicago. Nik did what
> everyone was doing last offseason and took the money before the Cap reality
> started sinking teams. It wasn't a questionable-Euro-loyalty thing as he was
> in for a payday wherever he went or stayed.

Let's also not forget that Jassen Cullimore, good old Canadian boy, was
the first of the Cup winners to bolt for the big bucks. As you said,
it's not European v. Canadian v. American -- it's red-blooded greed and
that knows no boundaries.

Nik - first season, I believe, that he was hammered with injuries. Add
to that the team he had in front of him and there you have it. I'd
still love to have him back, I think last year was an aberration.

-Sharon
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>> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent
>>> that never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how
>>> much attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league
>>> looks in their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to
>>> games.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Semper Fi,
>>> J
>>
>>
>> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
>> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.
>
> I hope this is sarcasm.......
>

At it's very best!

DWOB
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>> "Dr. Winston O'Boogie" <quarrymen14.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826.DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent
>>>> that never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how
>>>> much attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league
>>>> looks in their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Semper Fi,
>>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
>>> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.
>>
>> I hope this is sarcasm.......
>>
>
> At it's very best!
>
> DWOB
>

Whew! Thought you'd gone GOP on me.
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James & Tara Adams busily composed on 8/9/2006 :

> that he came over with all these ideas of money growing on trees in America
> and that all he has to do is make the team and start making demands.

Are you making this as a factual statement, or is this just a guess on
your part? I know that since Arty signed I've never seen a word about
his motivations and, in fact, had seen prior reports of his wanting to
return to Russia simply because he was unhappy in the U.S. If you're
stating it as fact, do you have anything to back it up? I'd be
interested in reading it.

> He was
> hired on cheap because the Lightning thought he could be something
> someday(key word: SOMEDAY)

He was given a significant signing bonus (more than he should have) &
other than that I believe was on a standard rookie contract. That
wasn't cheap because the Lightning were cheap, it was "cheap" because
those were the standards set forth in the existing CBA.
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>>>>> Someone should tell him he's no Khabibulin! You know with the talent
>>>>> that never gets to the big time from North America, it's suprising how
>>>>> much attention these foreign regions get. Maybe it's time this league
>>>>> looks in their own backyards and maybe that'll bring more people to
>>>>> games.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Semper Fi,
>>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
>>>> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.
>>>
>>> I hope this is sarcasm.......
>>>
>>
>> At it's very best!
>>
>> DWOB
>>
>
> Whew! Thought you'd gone GOP on me.
>

No sir, no how, no way!

DWOB
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie wrote:

> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.

There is a very good reason for that.

L
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James & Tara Adams busily composed on 8/9/2006 :
>>> that he came over with all these ideas of money growing on trees in
>>> America and that all he has to do is make the team and start making
>>> demands.
>>
>> Are you making this as a factual statement, or is this just a guess on your
>> part? I know that since Arty signed I've never seen a word about his
>> motivations and, in fact, had seen prior reports of his wanting to return
>> to Russia simply because he was unhappy in the U.S. If you're stating it
>> as fact, do you have anything to back it up? I'd be interested in reading
>> it.
>
> His motivations are evident in his actions.

You claim he came over here with these ideas already in place. I'm
just asking how you know that to be true, since he had actually made
noises about returning to Russia long before his current contract
negotiations began. Would seem to me if he came over here with the
pre-planned course of action to start making demands, he wouldn't have
been asking to go home to Russia before his contract was up.


> I know a lot of you here have a more personal relationship with some of the
> players and maybe you know more than me with the Tampa Trib/SP Times. Sue
> me. If you don't like "outsiders" commenting on a team they follow down
> there, kiss you're revenue and your team good bye cus to be honest with you,
> if it weren't for "snow birds", you'd never see consistent sellouts like you
> do now.

What on earth are you talking about? You made a statement in a public
forum and I simply asked if you were stating a fact or an opinion. I
see you haven't changed much.

>> He was given a significant signing bonus (more than he should have) & other
>> than that I believe was on a standard rookie contract. That wasn't cheap
>> because the Lightning were cheap, it was "cheap" because those were the
>> standards set forth in the existing CBA.
>
> That's like saying a house was cheap 50 years ago if it was $30,000.

Not at all. It's saying the team not only wasn't cheap with R2, it was
far more generous than it needed to be.
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Flycoon busily composed on 8/9/2006 :

> Now that his rookie contract is expired, the games by his agent have resumed.

According to the Trib, R2 changed agents over the summer. From what
I've read on HF, his new agent doesn't exactly enjoy a stellar
reputation.

-Sharon
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> Dr. Winston O'Boogie wrote:
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>> I agree with you 100%. U unfortunately, like everything else in this
>> country, foreigners take precedence of American citizens.
>
> There is a very good reason for that.
>
> L
>

How would you know Loogie? You're as much a foreigner as a Puerto Rican is.
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> You claim he came over here with these ideas already in place. I'm
> just asking how you know that to be true, since he had actually made
> noises about returning to Russia long before his current contract
> negotiations began. Would seem to me if he came over here with the
> pre-planned course of action to start making demands, he wouldn't have
> been asking to go home to Russia before his contract was up.

Why did he come to the NHL in the first place? Why do all the world's
players come to the NHL? It's the money. These players LOVE their
countries so much and yet they come over here to try to hit the jackpot and,
like in "R2"'s case, he complained and went home. He did make a demand, an
alimatum in fact, if he didn't get enough he would go home to Russia, and
that's exactly what he did. His actions are my evidence.


> What on earth are you talking about? You made a statement in a public
> forum and I simply asked if you were stating a fact or an opinion. I see
> you haven't changed much.

Because there's a lot of close mindness around here. It is a public forum
and sometimes I see things differently than what appears to everyone here
with the exact same mentality. Also, It was fact and my proof is exactly
what he did.

> Not at all. It's saying the team not only wasn't cheap with R2, it was
> far more generous than it needed to be.

Yep and that was his indication he was viewed as something worth spending
some money on. And it still wasn't good enough for his spoiled ass. Plain
and simple.


--
Semper Fi,
J
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