Bell in, Pav out

On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee... DeleteThis @posting4now.com> wrote:
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>
>
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> > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > never...
>
> I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
could play hockey, too.

Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....DeleteThis@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > never...
>
> > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> could play hockey, too.
>
> Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....RemoveThis@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > never...
>
> > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > could play hockey, too.
>
> > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?

Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
Thornton line, right?
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 29, 2:01 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > > never...
>
> > > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > > could play hockey, too.
>
> > > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
>
> Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
> to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
> this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
> Thornton line, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They just beat Nashville 4-1 in games and were absolutely annihilating
Detroit until they decided that they didn't need to play hockey any
more. If they had kept up the forechecking, the Sharks could have
scored five or six goals easily in both the first two games. (P.S.
Hasek looks terrible.)

I wouldn't be doing all kinds of line juggling and "fixing" stuff
that's absolutely unbroken. What is broken is staying dedicated to
forechecking these teams into oblivion, which is so apparently
successful that it's not even open to debate.

Forecheck and win, or hang back and lose. It's too simple a decision.

The only personnel issue with which I have a question is Cheechoo's
health. He doesn't look good out there at all, was falling down,
losing edges, shying away from heavy contact. It seems to me that his
recent injury may yet be plaguing him, perhaps in strength, which
would explain some slowness and losing edges frequently.

Beyond that, Choosing Bell over Pavelski raises a coach sanity
question, not a tactical issue.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 29, 6:47 am, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 2:01 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > > > never...
>
> > > > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > > > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > > > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > > > could play hockey, too.
>
> > > > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > > > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > > > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
>
> > Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
> > to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
> > this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
> > Thornton line, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> They just beat Nashville 4-1 in games and were absolutely annihilating
> Detroit until they decided that they didn't need to play hockey any
> more. If they had kept up the forechecking, the Sharks could have
> scored five or six goals easily in both the first two games. (P.S.
> Hasek looks terrible.)
>
> I wouldn't be doing all kinds of line juggling and "fixing" stuff
> that's absolutely unbroken. What is broken is staying dedicated to
> forechecking these teams into oblivion, which is so apparently
> successful that it's not even open to debate.
>
> Forecheck and win, or hang back and lose. It's too simple a decision.
>
> The only personnel issue with which I have a question is Cheechoo's
> health. He doesn't look good out there at all, was falling down,
> losing edges, shying away from heavy contact. It seems to me that his
> recent injury may yet be plaguing him, perhaps in strength, which
> would explain some slowness and losing edges frequently.
>
> Beyond that, Choosing Bell over Pavelski raises a coach sanity
> question, not a tactical issue.

Tack you usually make your positions crystal clear, but I have to
admit I'm confused this time. Much of the year you've said Detroit
looked like the best team. But now you seem to think the Sharks are
suddenly superior. To me these teams look about equal. But to be
honest, they look equally inadequate up to this point. They both look
woefully unready to face the Ducks next round.

You also seem to think it is merely up to the Sharks, they simply need
to decide on the right way to play. If they decide to forecheck, they
will win.

It takes more than talk, you are right that they indeed do need to
start applying more offensive pressure to the Wings, and it stands to
reason that the 2nd line, a line that supposedly has two guys who
would be able to play on the first line of many teams, should be
expected to create more offense, if not in the form of goals, then at
least in the form of the beloved time in the Wings zone, forechecking
and creating chances and wreaking havoc.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 29, 5:35 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 6:47 am, tack <thetac... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2:01 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee... RemoveThis @posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > > > > never...
>
> > > > > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > > > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > > > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > > > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > > > > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > > > > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > > > > could play hockey, too.
>
> > > > > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > > > > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > > > > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
>
> > > Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
> > > to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
> > > this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
> > > Thornton line, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > They just beat Nashville 4-1 in games and were absolutely annihilating
> > Detroit until they decided that they didn't need to play hockey any
> > more. If they had kept up the forechecking, the Sharks could have
> > scored five or six goals easily in both the first two games. (P.S.
> > Hasek looks terrible.)
>
> > I wouldn't be doing all kinds of line juggling and "fixing" stuff
> > that's absolutely unbroken. What is broken is staying dedicated to
> > forechecking these teams into oblivion, which is so apparently
> > successful that it's not even open to debate.
>
> > Forecheck and win, or hang back and lose. It's too simple a decision.
>
> > The only personnel issue with which I have a question is Cheechoo's
> > health. He doesn't look good out there at all, was falling down,
> > losing edges, shying away from heavy contact. It seems to me that his
> > recent injury may yet be plaguing him, perhaps in strength, which
> > would explain some slowness and losing edges frequently.
>
> > Beyond that, Choosing Bell over Pavelski raises a coach sanity
> > question, not a tactical issue.
>
> Tack you usually make your positions crystal clear, but I have to
> admit I'm confused this time. Much of the year you've said Detroit
> looked like the best team. But now you seem to think the Sharks are
> suddenly superior. To me these teams look about equal. But to be
> honest, they look equally inadequate up to this point. They both look
> woefully unready to face the Ducks next round.
>
> You also seem to think it is merely up to the Sharks, they simply need
> to decide on the right way to play. If they decide to forecheck, they
> will win.
>
> It takes more than talk, you are right that they indeed do need to
> start applying more offensive pressure to the Wings, and it stands to
> reason that the 2nd line, a line that supposedly has two guys who
> would be able to play on the first line of many teams, should be
> expected to create more offense, if not in the form of goals, then at
> least in the form of the beloved time in the Wings zone, forechecking
> and creating chances and wreaking havoc.

And a P.S. of my own: I am wondering if Marleau isn't severely
hampered by Guerin. This is precisely why I didn't want Bill G on the
Sharks. This is exactly the sort of disinterested lifeless play I
expected from him. I haven't seen all of his games, but whenever I
have seen him, either as an opponent to a team I liked, in the
playoffs or the Olympics, he does not strike fear. In big games more
often than not he is a non-factor.

Now come on Billy G, make a fan out of me, because SJ will not hoist
the cup if you don't stop floating around out there like game 2.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 29, 8:48 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 5:35 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 6:47 am, tack <thetac....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 2:01 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....DeleteThis@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > > > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > > > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > > > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > > > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > > > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > > > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > > > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > > > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > > > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > > > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > > > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > > > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > > > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > > > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > > > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > > > > > never...
>
> > > > > > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > > > > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > > > > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > > > > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > > > > > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > > > > > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > > > > > could play hockey, too.
>
> > > > > > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > > > > > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > > > > > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
>
> > > > Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
> > > > to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
> > > > this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
> > > > Thornton line, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > They just beat Nashville 4-1 in games and were absolutely annihilating
> > > Detroit until they decided that they didn't need to play hockey any
> > > more. If they had kept up the forechecking, the Sharks could have
> > > scored five or six goals easily in both the first two games. (P.S.
> > > Hasek looks terrible.)
>
> > > I wouldn't be doing all kinds of line juggling and "fixing" stuff
> > > that's absolutely unbroken. What is broken is staying dedicated to
> > > forechecking these teams into oblivion, which is so apparently
> > > successful that it's not even open to debate.
>
> > > Forecheck and win, or hang back and lose. It's too simple a decision.
>
> > > The only personnel issue with which I have a question is Cheechoo's
> > > health. He doesn't look good out there at all, was falling down,
> > > losing edges, shying away from heavy contact. It seems to me that his
> > > recent injury may yet be plaguing him, perhaps in strength, which
> > > would explain some slowness and losing edges frequently.
>
> > > Beyond that, Choosing Bell over Pavelski raises a coach sanity
> > > question, not a tactical issue.
>
> > Tack you usually make your positions crystal clear, but I have to
> > admit I'm confused this time. Much of the year you've said Detroit
> > looked like the best team. But now you seem to think the Sharks are
> > suddenly superior. To me these teams look about equal. But to be
> > honest, they look equally inadequate up to this point. They both look
> > woefully unready to face the Ducks next round.
>
> > You also seem to think it is merely up to the Sharks, they simply need
> > to decide on the right way to play. If they decide to forecheck, they
> > will win.
>
> > It takes more than talk, you are right that they indeed do need to
> > start applying more offensive pressure to the Wings, and it stands to
> > reason that the 2nd line, a line that supposedly has two guys who
> > would be able to play on the first line of many teams, should be
> > expected to create more offense, if not in the form of goals, then at
> > least in the form of the beloved time in the Wings zone, forechecking
> > and creating chances and wreaking havoc.
>
> And a P.S. of my own: I am wondering if Marleau isn't severely
> hampered by Guerin. This is precisely why I didn't want Bill G on the
> Sharks. This is exactly the sort of disinterested lifeless play I
> expected from him. I haven't seen all of his games, but whenever I
> have seen him, either as an opponent to a team I liked, in the
> playoffs or the Olympics, he does not strike fear. In big games more
> often than not he is a non-factor.
>
> Now come on Billy G, make a fan out of me, because SJ will not hoist
> the cup if you don't stop floating around out there like game 2.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Guerin, like Bell, is a bust. Skilled, yes, but determined to battle
and win, no. Again, give me Pavelski anytime.

P.S. Put Clowe with Marleau. There's a winner, one of the Sharks
most underrated players, IMHO.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 29, 6:50 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 8:48 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 5:35 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 6:47 am, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 29, 2:01 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 2:54 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 3:10 pm, tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 28, 12:45 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:56 am, "Duane" <letskee....TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville series,
> > > > > > > > > Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move makes sense.
> > > > > > > > > I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should view this game
> > > > > > > > > (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but he has played well
> > > > > > > > > in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to play, and has had some
> > > > > > > > > success this year there. He should toughen up the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > > > > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the action
> > > > > > > > > is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring the first
> > > > > > > > > goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > > > > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And they
> > > > > > > > > need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both early would
> > > > > > > > > give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > > > > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice advantage
> > > > > > > > > last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team, and never is,
> > > > > > > > > its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a game 1 loss happens
> > > > > > > > > all the time, from two games happens fairly often, and from three almost
> > > > > > > > > never...
>
> > > > > > > > I'm no Bell fan, but I thought he did play better for the last month
> > > > > > > > of the season. Certainly he should be hitting people all over the
> > > > > > > > place, but please stay out of the box. I'll assume he was nursing an
> > > > > > > > injury, having no hits in the Nashville series.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Sorry, I know you guys are waiting for me to rain on this parade, and
> > > > > > > I will. Bell is next to useless and takes dopey penalties, usually at
> > > > > > > bad times, a la old beloved Vinnie. The difference is that Vinnie
> > > > > > > could play hockey, too.
>
> > > > > > > Pavelski uses his body and stick much more wisely and benching him
> > > > > > > because he didn't make an impact in one game is a booboo, IMHO.
> > > > > > > Pavelski has a big future in San Jose; Bell has (or, better have) none.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Nice day by Bell, eh? Did he touch the ice?
>
> > > > > Between Bell, Guerin, and Pavelski they have 3 pts I think. They need
> > > > > to piece together a 2nd line and do it fast. It's a major problem at
> > > > > this point. Marleau has 6 pts, 2 on the PP, and 2 or 3 playing on
> > > > > Thornton line, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > They just beat Nashville 4-1 in games and were absolutely annihilating
> > > > Detroit until they decided that they didn't need to play hockey any
> > > > more. If they had kept up the forechecking, the Sharks could have
> > > > scored five or six goals easily in both the first two games. (P.S.
> > > > Hasek looks terrible.)
>
> > > > I wouldn't be doing all kinds of line juggling and "fixing" stuff
> > > > that's absolutely unbroken. What is broken is staying dedicated to
> > > > forechecking these teams into oblivion, which is so apparently
> > > > successful that it's not even open to debate.
>
> > > > Forecheck and win, or hang back and lose. It's too simple a decision.
>
> > > > The only personnel issue with which I have a question is Cheechoo's
> > > > health. He doesn't look good out there at all, was falling down,
> > > > losing edges, shying away from heavy contact. It seems to me that his
> > > > recent injury may yet be plaguing him, perhaps in strength, which
> > > > would explain some slowness and losing edges frequently.
>
> > > > Beyond that, Choosing Bell over Pavelski raises a coach sanity
> > > > question, not a tactical issue.
>
> > > Tack you usually make your positions crystal clear, but I have to
> > > admit I'm confused this time. Much of the year you've said Detroit
> > > looked like the best team. But now you seem to think the Sharks are
> > > suddenly superior. To me these teams look about equal. But to be
> > > honest, they look equally inadequate up to this point. They both look
> > > woefully unready to face the Ducks next round.
>
> > > You also seem to think it is merely up to the Sharks, they simply need
> > > to decide on the right way to play. If they decide to forecheck, they
> > > will win.
>
> > > It takes more than talk, you are right that they indeed do need to
> > > start applying more offensive pressure to the Wings, and it stands to
> > > reason that the 2nd line, a line that supposedly has two guys who
> > > would be able to play on the first line of many teams, should be
> > > expected to create more offense, if not in the form of goals, then at
> > > least in the form of the beloved time in the Wings zone, forechecking
> > > and creating chances and wreaking havoc.
>
> > And a P.S. of my own: I am wondering if Marleau isn't severely
> > hampered by Guerin. This is precisely why I didn't want Bill G on the
> > Sharks. This is exactly the sort of disinterested lifeless play I
> > expected from him. I haven't seen all of his games, but whenever I
> > have seen him, either as an opponent to a team I liked, in the
> > playoffs or the Olympics, he does not strike fear. In big games more
> > often than not he is a non-factor.
>
> > Now come on Billy G, make a fan out of me, because SJ will not hoist
> > the cup if you don't stop floating around out there like game 2.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Guerin, like Bell, is a bust. Skilled, yes, but determined to battle
> and win, no. Again, give me Pavelski anytime.
>
> P.S. Put Clowe with Marleau. There's a winner, one of the Sharks
> most underrated players, IMHO.

Agreed. Hopefully Clowe is making some new fans. It's hard not to like
players like that. I hope Detroit and the media get to see some of why
we loves us some Clowe in here.

And yeah, if the offense continues to look like this, it might be time
to rely more heavily on three lines. Put Marleau with Joe T, or I
agree, I was thinking a Clowe - Marleau - Bernier line might do the
trick.

And on the other side, Cleary is certainly making a fan out of me.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On 2007-04-28 08:56:39 -0700, "Duane" <letskeepit.TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> said:

> Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville
> series, Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move
> makes sense. I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should
> view this game (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but
> he has played well in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to
> play, and has had some success this year there. He should toughen up
> the 2nd line a bit...
>
> For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the
> action is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring
> the first goal would be wonderful.
>
> Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And
> they need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both
> early would give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice
> advantage last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team,
> and never is, its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a
> game 1 loss happens all the time, from two games happens fairly often,
> and from three almost never...

Bell in = 1-2

Pavs in = 3-0

Way to go RW.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 30, 9:32 am, user boy <a....RemoveThis@yahoonospam.com> wrote:
> On 2007-04-28 08:56:39 -0700, "Duane" <letskee....RemoveThis@posting4now.com> said:
>
>
>
> > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville
> > series, Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move
> > makes sense. I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should
> > view this game (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but
> > he has played well in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to
> > play, and has had some success this year there. He should toughen up
> > the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the
> > action is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring
> > the first goal would be wonderful.
>
> > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And
> > they need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both
> > early would give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice
> > advantage last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team,
> > and never is, its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a
> > game 1 loss happens all the time, from two games happens fairly often,
> > and from three almost never...
>
> Bell in = 1-2
>
> Pavs in = 3-0
>
> Way to go RW.

One of the Sharks blogs mentioned Pavs only skating 2 shifts during
the second half of game 1, so there is the possibility of injury, but
perhaps RW was just keeping the rookie on the bench during crunch time.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 30, 9:40 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:32 am, user boy <a....RemoveThis@yahoonospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2007-04-28 08:56:39 -0700, "Duane" <letskee....RemoveThis@posting4now.com> said:
>
> > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville
> > > series, Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move
> > > makes sense. I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should
> > > view this game (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but
> > > he has played well in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to
> > > play, and has had some success this year there. He should toughen up
> > > the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the
> > > action is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring
> > > the first goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And
> > > they need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both
> > > early would give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice
> > > advantage last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team,
> > > and never is, its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a
> > > game 1 loss happens all the time, from two games happens fairly often,
> > > and from three almost never...
>
> > Bell in = 1-2
>
> > Pavs in = 3-0
>
> > Way to go RW.
>
> One of the Sharks blogs mentioned Pavs only skating 2 shifts during
> the second half of game 1, so there is the possibility of injury, but
> perhaps RW was just keeping the rookie on the bench during crunch time.

I should probably read the press clippings before posting:

"Wilson will put rookie center Joe Pavelski back in his lineup for
Game 3, probably in place of Mark Bell. He doesn't plan to change
anything else about the Sharks' effort, hoping the same style and
intensity will get an added boost from the home crowd."
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out 

On Apr 30, 1:18 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:40 am, "Mr. T" <ted.peder... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 9:32 am, user boy <a... DeleteThis @yahoonospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 2007-04-28 08:56:39 -0700, "Duane" <letskee... DeleteThis @posting4now.com> said:
>
> > > > Although I was disappointed with Bell's performance in the Nashville
> > > > series, Pav wasn't playing that great in game #1 Thursday, so this move
> > > > makes sense. I know there are a couple in this NG who think Bell should
> > > > view this game (and all others) from much higher up than the bench, but
> > > > he has played well in Detroit, has said it is his favorite place to
> > > > play, and has had some success this year there. He should toughen up
> > > > the 2nd line a bit...
>
> > > > For the Sharks, they need to survive the first 10 minutes, when the
> > > > action is hot and heavy, and they'll be fine. Like Thursday, scoring
> > > > the first goal would be wonderful.
>
> > > > Detroit needs to score their first goal of the series, obviously. And
> > > > they need to get something from their top line. Accomplishing both
> > > > early would give them a needed boost of confidence.
>
> > > > Anaheim now has a series on their hands, after losing home ice
> > > > advantage last night. While game #2 is not a must win for either team,
> > > > and never is, its much more important for Detroit. Coming back from a
> > > > game 1 loss happens all the time, from two games happens fairly often,
> > > > and from three almost never...
>
> > > Bell in = 1-2
>
> > > Pavs in = 3-0
>
> > > Way to go RW.
>
> > One of the Sharks blogs mentioned Pavs only skating 2 shifts during
> > the second half of game 1, so there is the possibility of injury, but
> > perhaps RW was just keeping the rookie on the bench during crunch time.
>
> I should probably read the press clippings before posting:
>
> "Wilson will put rookie center Joe Pavelski back in his lineup for
> Game 3, probably in place of Mark Bell. He doesn't plan to change
> anything else about the Sharks' effort, hoping the same style and
> intensity will get an added boost from the home crowd."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe, he should take the Sominex out of the orange juice between
first and second period.
 >> Stay informed about: Bell in, Pav out