Crying eyes in denver

xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:21:52 -0700, Freedom Elz
> <mediadawg1 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 6, 8:29 pm, Thomas <none... DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>>> Hockeyguy wrote:
>>>> Well Turgeon is retiring today - my question is how can you tell the
>>>> difference? So many stories coming out of avs-land..What will be the
>>>> legacy of highest paid 2nd string goalie in league history,
>>> Um, Kenny dutch had two $8m+ goalies and a $1m backup on the roster for
>>> 03-04.
>>>
>>> Guess you conveniently forgot about that one, eh?
>>>
>>> 1st round exit that year, IIRC. $16m+ worth of goalies still couldn't
>>> win you a playoff series, and your team purged an entire 2nd line while
>>> ours added two of the three top free agents on the market, yet somehow
>>> you feel that you can talk smack because JoeTed makes $5.3m and may not
>>> start? Enjoy that.
>
> Try again. Detroit beat Nashville in the first round and Theodore
> makes $6 million.

Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
relevant.

CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.

>>> -Thomas
>> Good point, who won more playoiff series? Cujo in Detorit or Theodore
>> in Colorado?
> Both won one.
>> How much was Cujo making as opposed to Theodore?
> Joseph was paid more but there wasn't a salary cap.

Irrelevant.

> If a salary cap
> had been instituted at the start of that season Joseph would have been
> paid $6 million.

....which is more than JoeTed. And you'd still be on the hook for $8m
worth of Hasek and over $1m of Legace. So, again, my point stands.

-Thomas
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:

>Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>relevant.

Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.

>CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.

What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
after the cap. Apples and oranges.

Nowadays, it's easy to determine what the true costs of a player are -
and they are "what they could have had instead for that money".
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>
>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>> relevant.
>
> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>
>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>
> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
> after the cap. Apples and oranges.

Not with regards to this argument.

Read above.

Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.

-Thomas
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:

>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>> relevant.
>>
>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>
>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>
>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>
>Not with regards to this argument.
>
>Read above.
>
>Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.

If that's all that matters, then cap money isn't an issue, only total
paid.

But since it isn't my money, I measure "highest paid" in opportunity
cost. That means cap money now, it isn't so clear what it meant
before.
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:

>Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>>
>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>> relevant.
>>
>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>
>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>
>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>
>Not with regards to this argument.
>
>Read above.
>
>Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.
>
When and where?
>-Thomas
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>
>>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>>> relevant.
>>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>>
>>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>> Not with regards to this argument.
>>
>> Read above.
>>
>> Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.
>
> If that's all that matters, then cap money isn't an issue, only total
> paid.
>
> But since it isn't my money, I measure "highest paid" in opportunity
> cost. That means cap money now, it isn't so clear what it meant
> before.

If he meant relative to a capped NHL, then he should have said that. He
didn't.

-Thomas
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xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>>> relevant.
>>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>>
>>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>> Not with regards to this argument.
>>
>> Read above.
>>
>> Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.
>>
> When and where?

Um, the post he made to start this thread. Scroll up.

"So many stories coming out of avs-land..What will be the
legacy of highest paid 2nd string goalie in league history,"

-Thomas
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> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>
>>Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>>> relevant.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>>
>>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>>
>>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>>
>>Not with regards to this argument.
>>
>>Read above.
>>
>>Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.
>>
> When and where?

Up above. But what was not mentioned was that Cujo was the steal of the
year- regardless of price. It was reported everywhere- non-stop. I
remember getting up, and seeing that Gainey had finally unloaded that piece
of wood that had become Jose as an absolute fuc**ng miracle. Could not
believe it- had to call other Habs fans!!! I mean- who IN god's name would
pick up Jose?? with that salary??? Who?? Thank god. I still think Gainey
is an absolute GOD to unload that guy. A fuc**ng genius.


>>-Thomas
>
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:29:09 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred.DeleteThis@tifle.net>
wrote:

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>>>How much was Cujo making as opposed to Theodore?
>
>> Joseph was paid more but there wasn't a salary cap. If a salary cap
>> had been instituted at the start of that season Joseph would have been
>> paid $6 million.
>
>True enough, but then again, Cujo never was never a league MVP or a Vezina
>trophy winner for that matter.
>
He was certainly a more highly and sort after goalie at the time of
his signing than Theodore was when he was traded. BTW Joseph lost his
job to Hasek while Theodore lost his Budaj who was little more than a
rookie.
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman.DeleteThis@none.man> wrote:


>...which is more than JoeTed. And you'd still be on the hook for $8m
>worth of Hasek and over $1m of Legace. So, again, my point stands.

Try and keep up seeing that Hasek returned about $4 million because he
couldn't play because of injury. How much did Theodore return because
he literally couldn't play?
>
>-Thomas
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:

>Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:
>>
>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>> relevant.
>>
>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>
>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>
>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>
>Not with regards to this argument.
>
>Read above.
>
>Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.

IMO there is no shame in being Hasek's back-up but backing up Budaj is
a horse of a different color.
>
>-Thomas
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> I'll spare you the "crying eyes in Ann Arbor" shtick.
>
>
Fuck UofM - I love to see them lose...watched the entire game...loved it!
Hell their best play was a BS roughing the kicker pentaly.

I am sick of UofM getting basically prime talent and then embarrasing
themselves it seemed like every year in the rose bowl or some other bowl.
Recall when UofM was a premire BB school - now watch it happen to the
football program. They have not won a game since Bo died for
christsakes....screw em. Notre Dame is another mess - Wies gets a
extension for doing squat - unreal - he has yet to win a big game.

The only downside for next week's game is that both teams can not lose...
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xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:14 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:00:35 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Theodore makes $5.3m. That's his cap number, and that is all that is
>>>> relevant.
>>> Agreed. Kroenke might not agree, but since he's willing to pay the
>>> cap, only the GM cares about making Stan happy.
>>>
>>>> CuJo made more than that. So my point stands.
>>> What CuJo made before the cap doesn't compare with what Theodore made
>>> after the cap. Apples and oranges.
>> Not with regards to this argument.
>>
>> Read above.
>>
>> Hockeyguy said that JoeTed is the highest paid backup in league history.
>
> IMO there is no shame in being Hasek's back-up but backing up Budaj is
> a horse of a different color.

That's an entirely different argument altogether.

-Thomas
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