Denis vs Holmqvist

I didn't intend to mention youth but in this "cap-era", it's not like we're
to expect anyone for 10 years.

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> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826.DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> Really hate to say it about this one but it looks like I was right. But
>> hey, as long as Johan plays like this, we've still got one hell of a
>> young tandem.
>>
>> --
>> Semper Fi,
>> J
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> Young? Maybe compared to Hasek and Belfour....
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>I didn't intend to mention youth but in this "cap-era", it's not like we're
>to expect anyone for 10 years.
>

Denis is 29, Holmqvist is 28. Not youngsters.

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> Semper Fi,
> J
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>> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> Really hate to say it about this one but it looks like I was right. But
>>> hey, as long as Johan plays like this, we've still got one hell of a
>>> young tandem.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Semper Fi,
>>> J
>>
>> Young? Maybe compared to Hasek and Belfour....
>>
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youngsters as in they're not gonna Burke out on us in a season or two.

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> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>I didn't intend to mention youth but in this "cap-era", it's not like
>>we're to expect anyone for 10 years.
>>
>
> Denis is 29, Holmqvist is 28. Not youngsters.
>
>> --
>> Semper Fi,
>> J
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>>> "James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826 DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Really hate to say it about this one but it looks like I was right.
>>>> But hey, as long as Johan plays like this, we've still got one hell of
>>>> a young tandem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Semper Fi,
>>>> J
>>>
>>> Young? Maybe compared to Hasek and Belfour....
>>>
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I thought you meant Tony Romo in a sarcastic tone. whatever, it happens.
But reguardless, back to what you were saying, the way he played, he'd
definantly get a look at in the coming months. With the goaltending
situation and the salary issues, maybe trading Denis and riding Holmqvist
with Ramo backing him up might now be a bad idea to at least consider.
Hell, we might actually get to afford Leclair's $750K.

Semper Fi,
J
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James & Tara Adams busily composed on 12/6/2006 :
> I thought you meant Tony Romo in a sarcastic tone. whatever, it happens. But
> reguardless, back to what you were saying, the way he played, he'd definantly
> get a look at in the coming months. With the goaltending situation and the
> salary issues, maybe trading Denis and riding Holmqvist with Ramo backing him
> up might now be a bad idea to at least consider.

Consider that Holmqvist has been pulled from his last 2 games and in
the last game gave up 3 goals on 7 shots and lasted less than 8
minutes.

Then consider ownership has mandated we make a run "deep" into the
playoffs this year or our player salary budget is going to be cut.

That should make thinking about going the rest of the way w/Holmqvist
and Ramo a very brief experience.

>Hell, we might actually get
>to afford Leclair's $750K.

Whatever for? I fear his playing days are over.

-Sharon
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> Consider that Holmqvist has been pulled from his last 2 games and in the
> last game gave up 3 goals on 7 shots and lasted less than 8 minutes.

A couple of bad games, still I'm more impressed with him and his $600K
versus Denis' disappointning start for close to $3M. It's like that
Cloutier/Weekes situation, it wasn't that Cloutier was anything less than
Weekes, but Weekes had that sense of confidence with his play. I get the
same feeling here. And I know that half a game is WAY too early but Ramo
impressed the hell outta me. I'd like to see how he can do with a little
more on his shoulders.



> <Leclair> Whatever for? I fear his playing days are over.

Can someone please explain to me why noone's looking to get this guy at that
price? The leadership and experience for younger teams alone should be
worth the cash. Is he that bad of a guy off the ice?

Semper Fi,
J
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"James & Tara Adams" <ajbdtc826.DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> Consider that Holmqvist has been pulled from his last 2 games and in the
>> last game gave up 3 goals on 7 shots and lasted less than 8 minutes.
>
> A couple of bad games, still I'm more impressed with him and his $600K
> versus Denis' disappointning start for close to $3M. It's like that
> Cloutier/Weekes situation, it wasn't that Cloutier was anything less than
> Weekes, but Weekes had that sense of confidence with his play. I get the
> same feeling here. And I know that half a game is WAY too early but Ramo
> impressed the hell outta me. I'd like to see how he can do with a little
> more on his shoulders.
>
>
>
>> <Leclair> Whatever for? I fear his playing days are over.
>
> Can someone please explain to me why noone's looking to get this guy at
> that price? The leadership and experience for younger teams alone should
> be worth the cash. Is he that bad of a guy off the ice?

He has never been a leader and his back is so bad no team want to sign him,
even at $750K.

>
> Semper Fi,
> J
>
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James & Tara Adams busily composed on 12/6/2006 :
>> Consider that Holmqvist has been pulled from his last 2 games and in the
>> last game gave up 3 goals on 7 shots and lasted less than 8 minutes.
>
> A couple of bad games, still I'm more impressed with him and his $600K versus
> Denis' disappointning start for close to $3M.

But, IMO, we have to look long term. Put the season in the hands of
two untested rookies, we don't make the playoffs and we lose Lecavalier
or Richards next year. Salary budget cut means one of the Big 3 would
have to go. Lecavalier is the only one with a no-trade clause and
Richards' NTC goes into effect in July. I know you're totally
convinced Marty would waive his NTC, but he wanted the long-term deal
to be sure he would stay here and I don't see him jumping at the chance
to go to Columbus or another bottom dwelling team that would have the
cap room to take him.

28 games into the season is a bit early to start dumping players, it
reeks of kneejerk reaction and that simply never seems to turn out
well. Stick with what we have for the most part and I think we have a
better chance of making the playoffs. If we don't, we'll be looking at
a team made of up young'uns and scrubs soon enough, anyway. Just my
opinion, of course.
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> James & Tara Adams busily composed on 12/6/2006 :
>>> Consider that Holmqvist has been pulled from his last 2 games and in the
>>> last game gave up 3 goals on 7 shots and lasted less than 8 minutes.
>>
>> A couple of bad games, still I'm more impressed with him and his $600K
>> versus Denis' disappointning start for close to $3M.
>
> But, IMO, we have to look long term. Put the season in the hands of two
> untested rookies, we don't make the playoffs and we lose Lecavalier or
> Richards next year. Salary budget cut means one of the Big 3 would have to
> go. Lecavalier is the only one with a no-trade clause and Richards' NTC
> goes into effect in July. I know you're totally convinced Marty would
> waive his NTC, but he wanted the long-term deal to be sure he would stay
> here and I don't see him jumping at the chance to go to Columbus or
> another bottom dwelling team that would have the cap room to take him.
>
> 28 games into the season is a bit early to start dumping players, it reeks
> of kneejerk reaction and that simply never seems to turn out well. Stick
> with what we have for the most part and I think we have a better chance of
> making the playoffs. If we don't, we'll be looking at a team made of up
> young'uns and scrubs soon enough, anyway. Just my opinion, of course.
>
>

IMHO, Lecavalier has been the best and most consistent player this season.
Richards has been a colossal disappointment, he has never played as poorly
in his career as he has this season. If I were forced to move one of the
triumvirate, Brad would be the one to go. Problem is, who would take the
2nd highest salary in the league given his play this season.? He is more
Craig Janney than Joe Sakic at this juncture...
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> IMHO, Lecavalier has been the best and most consistent player this season.
> Richards has been a colossal disappointment, he has never played as poorly
> in his career as he has this season.

Wow, I'd have to agree with this one. I'm finally starting to look at him
being the hockey player people talked him up to be. Don't get me wrong he
was good in the past but never consistently vigilant as he has been this
year. I'd blame maturity for that wait. But St. Louis also has shown signs
of worth, especially since he was lined with Perrin which was a great idea.
Both those guys can skate circles around teams.

> He is more Craig Janney than Joe Sakic at this juncture...

Just as long as he doesn't date anyone from the stands, he's not quite THAT
low yet!

Semper Fi,
J
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Flycoon busily composed on 12/7/2006 :
> IMHO, Lecavalier has been the best and most consistent player this season.
> Richards has been a colossal disappointment, he has never played as poorly in
> his career as he has this season.

Totally agree.

> If I were forced to move one of the
> triumvirate, Brad would be the one to go.

Can't say I disagree there, either, and I would have felt the same way
even if he wasn't having an extremely disappointing season to date.
Take his year out of the picture and he's no doubt more consistent than
Lecavalier, but Vinny4 is just the entire package. Brad is (I'm sure
he'll come around eventually) an elite player but is so lacking in the
physicality/drive department that I fail to see how people can say he
is a more "well rounded" player than Vinny4. It amuses me that so many
people are outraged this season by his soft play and failure to pursue
the puck or opponents when they get past him -- he's *always* done
that. I once saw him just stop chasing an opponent who had a breakaway
-- when Brad skated by the bench he simply stepped off as though he was
on a line change. I almost blew a gasket. I don't care if you can't
catch the guy, you don't just give up like that.

> Problem is, who would take the 2nd
> highest salary in the league given his play this season.? He is more Craig
> Janney than Joe Sakic at this juncture...

Well, I think GMs know he'll rebound from this so I don't think
concerns over his level of play would be the issue. The salary and
length of contract would be much more of a hindrance.

At any rate, I'll just throw in that this is *exactly* why I lobbied
against naming him captain. I thought the pressure of the contract
*and* the captaincy would be a bit much to handle. I didn't figure,
however, that he'd be unable to handle the contract alone. If he wants
that C it's time for him to step up. People used to call out Vinny for
not taking responsibility and lauded him during the Cup year when he
told the media he wasn't playing his best and he was going to step it
up the 2nd half of the season. I'd like to see something like that out
of Brad. I'd also like to see the coach actually make his
"meritocracy" mantra work, and I'd like to see the media start putting
the same kind of critique toward Brad as they did Vinny. Brad wanted
the biggest contract, the team has put him on a pedestal, the time to
learn how to handle the heat that comes with it is now, not later.

Incidentally, I also found it interesting that through all the hype
about Brad being groomed for the captaincy and how when he signed this
contract they said it was now *his* team and would be built around him,
Jay Feaster told me they had no specific goals set for him ("he'll
continue to get better, as he always does"), but he also said that the
team will go as far as *Lecavalier* takes it. Wouldn't that make it
Vinny's team?
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James & Tara Adams busily composed on 12/7/2006 :
>> 28 games into the season is a bit early to start dumping players, it reeks
>> of kneejerk reaction and that simply never seems to turn out well. Stick
>> with what we have for the most part and I think we have a better chance of
>> making the playoffs. If we don't, we'll be looking at a team made of up
>> young'uns and scrubs soon enough, anyway. Just my opinion, of course.
>
> Not dumping, but cutting away some of the fat. Like I said in the beginning,
> Denis is a great idea for a back up, not his salary, but skill-wise on a
> cup-contending team, he isn't ready to pull the weight.

I doubt Holmqvist is the guy, either, at least not yet. If I have to
risk losing Lecavalier, Richards or St. Louis, I'm not going to put it
in the hands of two guys with less than 25 or so games of NHL
experience.

> I still like the idea of Andrechuk being an assistant coach and lighting the
> fires when he needed to.

Unfortunately, he's said he's not interested in coaching at this point.

>Noone else seems to do that, even Torts who I
> respect to the fullest, doesn't seem like he wants to give that final push.

Oh, I think he's pushing, all right. They've just stopped listening.

-Sharon
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> Oh, I think he's pushing, all right. They've just stopped listening.

I'm suprised he still has his job after that remark; something like that
sounds like career-suicide. His job is to find a way to MAKE them listen
and perform.

Semper Fi,
J
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