Downie

On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Cervo <nastyflyerg....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 11:23?am, "Luke" <rluk....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > "Rob" <gibb....DeleteThis@patspammedia.net> wrote in message
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> >news:fdiuk7$pqp$1@news.datemas.de...> Any guesses on the suspension? I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
> > > made an example of.
>
> > > Jr
>
> > 20 games seems reasonable but I'm afraid it may be even longer. I see
> > similarities to the Bertuzzi incident in that this hit seems to have hit a
> > nerve that crosses all lines - fans, players, management and League
> > executives. I'm hoping it is only a twenty game suspension but it may go
> > well beyond that.

Umm, yeah. Chris Simon got 25 games for hitting Hollweg in the head
with a stick last season...and it was his SIXTH careeer suspension.
Downie, as a first-time offender on a non-stick foul? 10 games max,
and that probably includes presason.

> it was a bad hit that can't be tolerated and he should be suspended
> but those fans and players who are so outraged are all hyprocrits.
> Esp Neil.

McGrattan should sit for a few games because of his published comments
as well.

Pelle
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"Rob" <gibbsjr DeleteThis @patspammedia.net> wrote in message
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> Any guesses on the suspension? I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
> made an example of.
>
> Jr
>
20 games seems reasonable but I'm afraid it may be even longer. I see
similarities to the Bertuzzi incident in that this hit seems to have hit a
nerve that crosses all lines - fans, players, management and League
executives. I'm hoping it is only a twenty game suspension but it may go
well beyond that.
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On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, "neon leon" <f.m....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > "Pelle Schultz" <evil_emp....DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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> >> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Cervo <nastyflyerg....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sep 28, 11:23?am, "Luke" <rluk....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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> >>> > "Rob" <gibb....DeleteThis@patspammedia.net> wrote in message
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> >>> >news:fdiuk7$pqp$1@news.datemas.de...> Any guesses on the suspension?
> >>> >I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
> >>> > > made an example of.
>
> >>> > > Jr
>
> >>> > 20 games seems reasonable but I'm afraid it may be even longer. I see
> >>> > similarities to the Bertuzzi incident in that this hit seems to have
> >>> > hit a
> >>> > nerve that crosses all lines - fans, players, management and League
> >>> > executives. I'm hoping it is only a twenty game suspension but it may
> >>> > go
> >>> > well beyond that.
>
> >> Umm, yeah. Chris Simon got 25 games for hitting Hollweg in the head
> >> with a stick last season...and it was his SIXTH careeer suspension.
> >> Downie, as a first-time offender on a non-stick foul? 10 games max,
> >> and that probably includes presason.
>
> >>> it was a bad hit that can't be tolerated and he should be suspended
> >>> but those fans and players who are so outraged are all hyprocrits.
> >>> Esp Neil.
>
> >> McGrattan should sit for a few games because of his published comments
> >> as well.
>
> >> Pelle
>
> > I'm going with 12 games. Which is sad. That's what Matt Johnson got for
> > ending Beaukeboom's career. Does anyone know what Chris Neil got for his
> > hit on Drury?
>
> quote..."Sometimes players of Neil's ilk are criticized for their aggressive
> style of play and that was the case earlier in the season when Neil was
> accused of playing dirty. In a February 22nd game against Buffalo, Neil
> steamrolled Chris Drury with a clean, but late hit, which caused a
> full-scale brawl in the game and resulted in the Sabres co-captain missing
> the next four tests. Neil was not suspended for the hit, but Buffalo head
> coach Lindy Ruff was among a few people who called the play "dirty"."

Clean vs. dirty is subjective. Neil clearly hit Drury well after Drury
had released the puck, and caught him in a vulnerable position. Dirty
hit IMO. Guys like Neil are always calling hits like that "dirty" when
it happens to the or their teammates, and "clean" when they do it.

Pelle
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"Pelle Schultz" <evil_empire.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Cervo <nastyflyerg....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 11:23?am, "Luke" <rluk....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "Rob" <gibb....TakeThisOut@patspammedia.net> wrote in message
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>> >news:fdiuk7$pqp$1@news.datemas.de...> Any guesses on the suspension?
>> >I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
>> > > made an example of.
>>
>> > > Jr
>>
>> > 20 games seems reasonable but I'm afraid it may be even longer. I see
>> > similarities to the Bertuzzi incident in that this hit seems to have
>> > hit a
>> > nerve that crosses all lines - fans, players, management and League
>> > executives. I'm hoping it is only a twenty game suspension but it may
>> > go
>> > well beyond that.
>
> Umm, yeah. Chris Simon got 25 games for hitting Hollweg in the head
> with a stick last season...and it was his SIXTH careeer suspension.
> Downie, as a first-time offender on a non-stick foul? 10 games max,
> and that probably includes presason.
>
>> it was a bad hit that can't be tolerated and he should be suspended
>> but those fans and players who are so outraged are all hyprocrits.
>> Esp Neil.
>
> McGrattan should sit for a few games because of his published comments
> as well.
>
> Pelle
>
>

I'm going with 12 games. Which is sad. That's what Matt Johnson got for
ending Beaukeboom's career. Does anyone know what Chris Neil got for his
hit on Drury?
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On Sep 28, 9:12 am, "Rob" <gibb... RemoveThis @patspammedia.net> wrote:
> Any guesses on the suspension? I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
> made an example of.
>
> Jr

He got 20.
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"JD" <jmatchett325.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Pelle Schultz" <evil_empire.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Cervo <nastyflyerg....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 28, 11:23?am, "Luke" <rluk....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Rob" <gibb....DeleteThis@patspammedia.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >news:fdiuk7$pqp$1@news.datemas.de...> Any guesses on the suspension?
>>> >I'm thinking 20 games, maybe 25. He'll be
>>> > > made an example of.
>>>
>>> > > Jr
>>>
>>> > 20 games seems reasonable but I'm afraid it may be even longer. I see
>>> > similarities to the Bertuzzi incident in that this hit seems to have
>>> > hit a
>>> > nerve that crosses all lines - fans, players, management and League
>>> > executives. I'm hoping it is only a twenty game suspension but it may
>>> > go
>>> > well beyond that.
>>
>> Umm, yeah. Chris Simon got 25 games for hitting Hollweg in the head
>> with a stick last season...and it was his SIXTH careeer suspension.
>> Downie, as a first-time offender on a non-stick foul? 10 games max,
>> and that probably includes presason.
>>
>>> it was a bad hit that can't be tolerated and he should be suspended
>>> but those fans and players who are so outraged are all hyprocrits.
>>> Esp Neil.
>>
>> McGrattan should sit for a few games because of his published comments
>> as well.
>>
>> Pelle
>>
>>
>
> I'm going with 12 games. Which is sad. That's what Matt Johnson got for
> ending Beaukeboom's career. Does anyone know what Chris Neil got for his
> hit on Drury?
quote..."Sometimes players of Neil's ilk are criticized for their aggressive
style of play and that was the case earlier in the season when Neil was
accused of playing dirty. In a February 22nd game against Buffalo, Neil
steamrolled Chris Drury with a clean, but late hit, which caused a
full-scale brawl in the game and resulted in the Sabres co-captain missing
the next four tests. Neil was not suspended for the hit, but Buffalo head
coach Lindy Ruff was among a few people who called the play "dirty"."
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>> quote..."Sometimes players of Neil's ilk are criticized for their
>> aggressive
>> style of play and that was the case earlier in the season when Neil was
>> accused of playing dirty. In a February 22nd game against Buffalo, Neil
>> steamrolled Chris Drury with a clean, but late hit, which caused a
>> full-scale brawl in the game and resulted in the Sabres co-captain
>> missing
>> the next four tests. Neil was not suspended for the hit, but Buffalo head
>> coach Lindy Ruff was among a few people who called the play "dirty"."
>
> Clean vs. dirty is subjective. Neil clearly hit Drury well after Drury
> had released the puck, and caught him in a vulnerable position. Dirty
> hit IMO. Guys like Neil are always calling hits like that "dirty" when
> it happens to the or their teammates, and "clean" when they do it.
>
> Pelle
>

And IMO, Legal vs Illegal is subjective on the ice. The slow motion camera
can help, but this is only after the fact. Downie's hit was only marginally
Illegal, because his feet left the ice a fraction of a second prior to
impact.

And IMO, Intent to injure is even more subjective. Aren't all checks intent
to injure. As a player, everytime you check some one - you'd love to smoke
them. And, how do you judge this? Should it be based on the injury?
McAmmond may be playing again soon. Were as Upshall got hurt from a check,
is sitting for 6 weeks. Should that guy that hit Upshall be brought in
front of Campbell?

This whole thing piss's me off. It should be made illegal or not. There
should be clear non-basis rules. Lindros, Primeau, Johnson, Kapanen,
Umberger all got smoked by "dirty" hits and nothing. Downie - just because
of his rep gets 20 games thats bullshit.
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