Emery resigned

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:04:22 -0400, "Tunnel ©" <rat.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:

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>"car crash" <carcrash1.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> The 24-year-old was a restricted free agent. He will earn $2.75
>> million next season, $3.25 million in 2008-09 and $3.5 million in
>> 2009-10 -- for an annual average of $3.16 million, a big raise over
>> the $925,000 he made last season. He will be an unrestricted free
>> agent at the end of the contract.
>>
>>
>> Great move by Murray. At 3.16 mil per season that's lower then I
>> thought it would cost to keep him for sure.
>>
>
>
>Bizarre that even with todays newly signed contract. Emery is clearly the
>number 1 goalie on the ice and still earning far less then Gerber. They got
>to figure out a way to unload Gerber as soon as possible.
>
>Tunnel.
>

Gerber will not be there in October, Murray will find a
way.
>
>
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"Tunnel ©" <rat.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Bizarre that even with todays newly signed contract. Emery is
> clearly the number 1 goalie on the ice and still earning far less
> then Gerber. They got to figure out a way to unload Gerber as soon
> as possible.
> Tunnel.

Gerber will be gone long before the first puck drop - either in Bingo so his
salary is off the cap or via a trade. We need that money for sewing up
Heatley and Spezza for a while if we're going to remain an elite team. But
it's highly doubtful we'll get lucky and see Gerber with any other NHL
team - especially since the only real offer puts more $s into our system for
a d-man that just is far overpaid. We already have TWO of those - we don't
need a third!
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> "Tunnel ©" <rat.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Bizarre that even with todays newly signed contract. Emery is
>> clearly the number 1 goalie on the ice and still earning far less
>> then Gerber. They got to figure out a way to unload Gerber as soon
>> as possible.
>> Tunnel.
>
> Gerber will be gone long before the first puck drop - either in Bingo so
> his salary is off the cap or via a trade. We need that money for sewing
> up Heatley and Spezza for a while if we're going to remain an elite team.
> But it's highly doubtful we'll get lucky and see Gerber with any other NHL
> team - especially since the only real offer puts more $s into our system
> for a d-man that just is far overpaid. We already have TWO of those - we
> don't need a third!

Gerber will not be sent to Bingo. No way, no how. Guard hasn't been
re-signed, and neither Glass nor Elliot are even ready to fill water bottles
for an NHL game, let alone be backups. If Gerber were sent down, he'd have
to clear waivers on the way up, and would therefore have half his contract
picked up by the Sens if he was claimed. He'd be completely untradeable and
also unplayable in that scenario. The only way out for Gerber is a trade.
Personally, I'd be waiting until Christmas or later for that to happen....
when a team loses a goalie to injury, or Plan A isn't working for them, that
sort of thing. I'd also be expecting that Gerber will get a work load to
increase his value instead of trying to unload him for nothing. I'm also
kinda shaking my head these days listening to people gush about Emery. He's
not Luongo. He's been good, but I wouldn't sell off the backup plan until I
had another half season of good play from Emery. If Emery stumbles and
Gerber was gone, then what? Belfour? Cujo? Esche? I'd take Gerber over
any of the goalies available right now.
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"Ken" <ken.hoofhearted.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Bizarre that even with todays newly signed contract. Emery is
>>> clearly the number 1 goalie on the ice and still earning far less
>>> then Gerber. They got to figure out a way to unload Gerber as
>>> soon
>>> as possible.
>>> Tunnel.
>>
>> Gerber will be gone long before the first puck drop - either in
>> Bingo so his salary is off the cap or via a trade. We need that
>> money for sewing up Heatley and Spezza for a while if we're going
>> to remain an elite team. But it's highly doubtful we'll get lucky
>> and see Gerber with any other NHL team - especially since the only
>> real offer puts more $s into our system for a d-man that just is
>> far overpaid. We already have TWO of those - we don't need a
>> third!
>
> Gerber will not be sent to Bingo. No way, no how. Guard hasn't
> been re-signed, and neither Glass nor Elliot are even ready to fill
> water bottles for an NHL game, let alone be backups. If Gerber were
> sent down, he'd have to clear waivers on the way up, and would
> therefore have half his contract picked up by the Sens if he was
> claimed. He'd be completely untradeable and also unplayable in that
> scenario. The only way out for Gerber is a trade. Personally, I'd
> be waiting until Christmas or later for that to happen.... when a
> team loses a goalie to injury, or Plan A isn't working for them,
> that sort of thing. I'd also be expecting that Gerber will get a
> work load to increase his value instead of trying to unload him for
> nothing. I'm also kinda shaking my head these days listening to
> people gush about Emery. He's not Luongo. He's been good, but I
> wouldn't sell off the backup plan until I had another half season of
> good play from Emery. If Emery stumbles and Gerber was gone, then
> what? Belfour? Cujo? Esche? I'd take Gerber over any of the
> goalies available right now.

I have to agree, Ken. As we all saw with Raycroft, Thomas, Theodore,
and many others, one good season does not guarantee success. Emery is
going to have to work that much harder over the coming couple of
seasons. He does have the athletic ability to succeed, and with good
coaching and skills training, he could be a very, very good goalie ...
but he's going to be severely tested next season.

As for Gerber, I don't think it's as bad a situation as most people
are making it out to be. From a playability perspective, Ottawa's
goaltending situation is pretty darn good. There are at least five
teams (CHI, VAN, ANA, COL, DAL) spending more money on goaltending
than Ottawa, and only one of those (VAN) is in as good a playability
situation.

And if/when the time comes to move Gerber, you just have to look at
those teams that are/will be really desperate (Plan A? these guys
don't even have that):

Nashville - lost Vokoun and now has only Chris Mason and no backup;
Phoenix - has been unable to sign Cujo, and currently has only
Tellqvsist and Aebisher on the payroll;
St. Louis - has Manny Legace, and no backup;
Pittsburgh - Fleury and Conklin (yikes);
Columbus - Pascal Leclaire and Fredrik Norrena - are you freakin'
kidding me?
Los Angeles - Dan Cloutier and no backup (or should I say, no
starter).

Someone's gonna want to make a deal. As you say, Gerber will likely
stick around until Christmas or so; but he'll be able to be moved, I
have no doubt.
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Ottawa has one of the worst goaltending situations in the NHL... We have two
#2's both making #1 money... it doesn't much worse than this really...

Vancouver, Colorado and Anaheim like their situation a lot. Ok, sure,
Colorado wouldn't mind getting rid of Theodore, but he's only there for this
season and he's gone after that. Budaj has been doing the job for them
anyways.

And of the teams you listed (Nashville, Phoenix, St Louis, Pittsburgh,
Columbus and LA)... why the heck would ANY of them want Gerber? What they
need a true solid #1!! Not a more than likely washed up career back up
goaltender that had ONE decent season that he didn't even finish as the
#1...

Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Another season where we'll be in the bottom half of the
league as far as goaltending goes... when the rest of the team clicks, it
just doesn't matter who we have in the net... but when it gets tougher, than
we need our goaltender to carry the team on his back... and that's where
Emery has been lacking in the last 2 seasons.

Ughhhhhhhhhhh


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> >>>
> >>> Bizarre that even with todays newly signed contract. Emery is
> >>> clearly the number 1 goalie on the ice and still earning far less
> >>> then Gerber. They got to figure out a way to unload Gerber as
> >>> soon
> >>> as possible.
> >>> Tunnel.
> >>
> >> Gerber will be gone long before the first puck drop - either in
> >> Bingo so his salary is off the cap or via a trade. We need that
> >> money for sewing up Heatley and Spezza for a while if we're going
> >> to remain an elite team. But it's highly doubtful we'll get lucky
> >> and see Gerber with any other NHL team - especially since the only
> >> real offer puts more $s into our system for a d-man that just is
> >> far overpaid. We already have TWO of those - we don't need a
> >> third!
> >
> > Gerber will not be sent to Bingo. No way, no how. Guard hasn't
> > been re-signed, and neither Glass nor Elliot are even ready to fill
> > water bottles for an NHL game, let alone be backups. If Gerber were
> > sent down, he'd have to clear waivers on the way up, and would
> > therefore have half his contract picked up by the Sens if he was
> > claimed. He'd be completely untradeable and also unplayable in that
> > scenario. The only way out for Gerber is a trade. Personally, I'd
> > be waiting until Christmas or later for that to happen.... when a
> > team loses a goalie to injury, or Plan A isn't working for them,
> > that sort of thing. I'd also be expecting that Gerber will get a
> > work load to increase his value instead of trying to unload him for
> > nothing. I'm also kinda shaking my head these days listening to
> > people gush about Emery. He's not Luongo. He's been good, but I
> > wouldn't sell off the backup plan until I had another half season of
> > good play from Emery. If Emery stumbles and Gerber was gone, then
> > what? Belfour? Cujo? Esche? I'd take Gerber over any of the
> > goalies available right now.
>
> I have to agree, Ken. As we all saw with Raycroft, Thomas, Theodore,
> and many others, one good season does not guarantee success. Emery is
> going to have to work that much harder over the coming couple of
> seasons. He does have the athletic ability to succeed, and with good
> coaching and skills training, he could be a very, very good goalie ...
> but he's going to be severely tested next season.
>
> As for Gerber, I don't think it's as bad a situation as most people
> are making it out to be. From a playability perspective, Ottawa's
> goaltending situation is pretty darn good. There are at least five
> teams (CHI, VAN, ANA, COL, DAL) spending more money on goaltending
> than Ottawa, and only one of those (VAN) is in as good a playability
> situation.
>
> And if/when the time comes to move Gerber, you just have to look at
> those teams that are/will be really desperate (Plan A? these guys
> don't even have that):
>
> Nashville - lost Vokoun and now has only Chris Mason and no backup;
> Phoenix - has been unable to sign Cujo, and currently has only
> Tellqvsist and Aebisher on the payroll;
> St. Louis - has Manny Legace, and no backup;
> Pittsburgh - Fleury and Conklin (yikes);
> Columbus - Pascal Leclaire and Fredrik Norrena - are you freakin'
> kidding me?
> Los Angeles - Dan Cloutier and no backup (or should I say, no
> starter).
>
> Someone's gonna want to make a deal. As you say, Gerber will likely
> stick around until Christmas or so; but he'll be able to be moved, I
> have no doubt.
>
>
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> Ottawa has one of the worst goaltending situations in the NHL... We
> have two
> #2's both making #1 money... it doesn't much worse than this
> really...

This is just silly. Are you telling me that you would rather have a
situation like, oh, let's say, Dan Cloutier and no backup in place, à
la LA? Or maybe you'd like to trade Emery and Gerber straight up to
Columbus for Pascal Leclaire and Frederic Norrenna. How 'bout paying
6.75 Mil to Khabibulin? Ottawa's situation is no where near the worst
in the league.

> Vancouver, Colorado and Anaheim like their situation a lot. Ok,
> sure,
> Colorado wouldn't mind getting rid of Theodore, but he's only there
> for this
> season and he's gone after that. Budaj has been doing the job for
> them
> anyways.

Colorado is anything but happy with their situation. And of course
Vancouver is happy with Luongo, and of course the reigning Stanley Cup
champions are happy. So what?

> And of the teams you listed (Nashville, Phoenix, St Louis,
> Pittsburgh,
> Columbus and LA)... why the heck would ANY of them want Gerber? What
> they
> need a true solid #1!! Not a more than likely washed up career back
> up
> goaltender that had ONE decent season that he didn't even finish as
> the
> #1...

More silliness. Put yourself in the shoes of the GMs of those clubs.
Wait until you've dropped twelve, thirteen, maybe fifteen of your
first twenty games. Then look around at which goalies are on the open
market. Then ask yourself who's available to help your club. There
won't be too many available that are any better than Gerber. Look,
you'd better face it: during any given year there are only about 10
true solid #1 goalies in the NHL. And the next year, it's a different
10 as some get hot, and others cool down. There are only about five
or six that are consistently in the top ten, and those guys ain't
goin' anywhere. There are 30 teams. They can't possibly all have
that "true solid #1." Teams have to try to upgrade when their own
situation is bad ... so they take a chance. Someone will definitely
take a long, hard look at Gerber.

> Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Another season where we'll be in the bottom half
> of the
> league as far as goaltending goes

Huh? How do you reckon that Ottawa's goaltending is in the bottom
half of the league? Using what criteria? As I said to Ken, Emery's
going to have to prove that it wasn't just one good season; but
there's no way Ottawa's goaltending is going to be in the bottom half.
Now way, no how.

> ... when the rest of the team clicks, it
> just doesn't matter who we have in the net... but when it gets
> tougher, than
> we need our goaltender to carry the team on his back... and that's
> where
> Emery has been lacking in the last 2 seasons.

News flash: Emery is TWENTY FOUR FUCKING YEARS OLD. And he brought
his team to the Stanley Cup finals. I guess according to you, that
was only because "the rest of the team clicked" during the first three
rounds, eh? Well here's something to consider: the best goalie in the
league last year, Niklas Backstrom, was eliminated in 5 games by the
Ducks. Luongo stood on his head and the 'Nucks still went down in 5.
Hasek got the most wins agains the Ducks in the playoffs, and he had a
grand total of 2. The Ducks simply steamrolled their opponents. What
makes you think any other goalie would have had a better outcome than
Emery in the final?

> Ughhhhhhhhhhh

It's okay, dude. Take some prozac and you'll get through this.
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