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"Doug Thompson" <nospamthanks.TakeThisOut@na.com> wrote in message
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> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>
> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>
> Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless

What exactly do you mean "destroying the NHL?"

If they suspended Hollweg for 30 games and let Kovy go, that would be one
thing. They let them both go.

So, what is your point, that they both should have been suspended longer,
neither at all, or Kovalev for a month and Hollweg for one game?
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On 2008-02-05, Doug Thompson <nospamthanks DeleteThis @na.com> wrote:
> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>
> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will

Any links? Not even Google is turning up any references. I want to see
what league dickhead^Wdisciplinarian Colin Campbell has to say.

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On Feb 4, 9:33 pm, Alex <akaufm....TakeThisOut@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> in article qKPpj.44490$4w.36610@pd7urf2no, Doug Thompson at
> nospamtha....TakeThisOut@na.com wrote on 2/4/08 9:21 PM:
>
> > Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>
> > Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>
> > Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless
>
> One game? Hollweg should have had at least 3.
>
> Nothing for Kovalev? Can't say I'm surprised. Walker didn't get anything for
> boarding Gomez either.

Really? I'm surprised. I figured they would've given him at least
one award for that. Nothing? Are you sure? Not even a little thumbs-
up sticker?

You know, for every Mexican you board, a Chihuahua dies. Walker has
the death of an innocent puppy on his hands.

Signed,
R.J.
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On 2008-02-05, Michael Ventolo <nowhere.DeleteThis@oblivion.ca> wrote:
>
> If they suspended Hollweg for 30 games and let Kovy go, that would be one
> thing. They let them both go.
>
> So, what is your point, that they both should have been suspended longer,
> neither at all, or Kovalev for a month and Hollweg for one game?

My point would be that they both should have been suspended for longer.
Otherwise (as Doug observes) players feel like they can perform those
dangerous hits without fear of suspension. And, as Bob and I both know
for certain, the NHL takes a hard stance against dangerous hits to the
head.

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My point is if the officials had made the correct call on the ice,
nothing would have happened. They turned blind eye to Kovalev's elbow. I
can't believe four officials, 8 eight eyes missed it. They didn't. They
were gutless/clueless/blind/incompetent. I thought Hollweg would get
three games and Kovalev would get one. The fact Kovalev got nothing is
simply illustrating Gary Bettman is destroying the game. The next time
the Rangers - Canadiens play (Tue Feb 19, 2008) it will escalate, simply
because the officials screwed it up on the ice and the NHL suits don't
understand game.

-Doug


Michael Ventolo wrote:
>
> "Doug Thompson" <nospamthanks.RemoveThis@na.com> wrote in message
> news:qKPpj.44490$4w.36610@pd7urf2no...
>> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>>
>> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>>
>> Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless
>
> What exactly do you mean "destroying the NHL?"
>
> If they suspended Hollweg for 30 games and let Kovy go, that would be
> one thing. They let them both go.
>
> So, what is your point, that they both should have been suspended
> longer, neither at all, or Kovalev for a month and Hollweg for one game?
>
>
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"Doug T" <naspam.RemoveThis@nana.ca> wrote in message
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> My point is if the officials had made the correct call on the ice, nothing
> would have happened. They turned blind eye to Kovalev's elbow. I can't
> believe four officials, 8 eight eyes missed it. They didn't. They were
> gutless/clueless/blind/incompetent. I thought Hollweg would get three
> games and Kovalev would get one. The fact Kovalev got nothing is simply
> illustrating Gary Bettman is destroying the game. The next time the
> Rangers - Canadiens play (Tue Feb 19, 2008) it will escalate, simply
> because the officials screwed it up on the ice and the NHL suits don't
> understand game.

They used to turn a blind eye to 4 or 5 vicious elbows a game. Or if they
called it, it would be called the same as a hook.

And I don't know that they did turn a blind eye to it in deciding the
suspensions, because Hollweg should have gotten more than a game.


> -Doug
>
>
> Michael Ventolo wrote:
>>
>> "Doug Thompson" <nospamthanks.RemoveThis@na.com> wrote in message
>> news:qKPpj.44490$4w.36610@pd7urf2no...
>>> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>>>
>>> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>>>
>>> Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless
>>
>> What exactly do you mean "destroying the NHL?"
>>
>> If they suspended Hollweg for 30 games and let Kovy go, that would be one
>> thing. They let them both go.
>>
>> So, what is your point, that they both should have been suspended longer,
>> neither at all, or Kovalev for a month and Hollweg for one game?
>>
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On Feb 4, 11:04�pm, Doug T <nas....RemoveThis@nana.ca> wrote:
> My point is if the officials had made the correct call on the ice,
> nothing would have happened.

Are you sure of that? That was a pretty bad elbow, and i'd have to say
that some Montreal Euro would have gotten some level of payback during
the course of the game. Considering Hollweg is the cheapshot fruitbag
he is, well he would have done it to *someone* since Kovalev would
have been thrown out. What you are forgetting is that Hollweg was on a
mission to hurt someone. Whatever he was thinking was premeditated on
the bench. If he saw #27 in his sights then that's a bonus, but he was
goiing to try to injure someone/anyone.

>They turned blind eye to Kovalev's elbow.

But yet, you are dismissing Hollweg's blantent cheapshot hit from
behind as if it's some sort of justification. Not like Hollweg doesn't
do it all the time mind you....

> can't believe four officials, 8 eight eyes missed it. They didn't. They
> were gutless/clueless/blind/incompetent. I thought Hollweg would get
> three games and Kovalev would get one. The fact Kovalev got nothing is
> simply illustrating Gary Bettman is destroying the game.

But having a player hit another player from behind is justification
for a missed call, right?

The joke is Hollweg only gettting one game. Especially since it was
premeditated.

>The next time
> the Rangers - Canadiens play (Tue Feb 19, 2008) it will escalate, simply
> because the officials screwed it up on the ice and the NHL suits don't
> understand game.

I doubt it. Neither team can afford to run around taking penalties
come that game. It's too important.
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On Feb 4, 7:21 pm, Doug Thompson <nospamtha....DeleteThis@na.com> wrote:
> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>
> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>
> Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless

I don't think Kovalev deserved a suspension. I do, however, think the
NHL should start making use of fines more often, especially for blows
to the head. A nice big fine would send enough of a message to
Kovalev, without resorting to removing him from a game.

Hollweg's suspension was mandatory, and I don't think required any
additional suspension. If that was a first-time offense this season,
I don't think he would have gotten suspended at all.

Look at Kovalchuk's hit from behind to see something that rightfully
deserved a suspension.
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On 2008-02-05, Bender <Jeffrey.S.Morrison RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't think Kovalev deserved a suspension. I do, however, think the
> NHL should start making use of fines more often, especially for blows
> to the head. A nice big fine would send enough of a message to
> Kovalev, without resorting to removing him from a game.

A big enough fine is not possible, thanks to the NHLPA wanting to set a
maximum fine not based on the player's salary. If the maximum were,
say, 10% of a player's salary, that might make someone like Kovalev take
notice.

> Look at Kovalchuk's hit from behind to see something that rightfully
> deserved a suspension.

You don't think ramming someone's head into the dasher from behind
warrants a long suspension?

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On Feb 5, 11:12 am, Keith Keller <kkeller-use....DeleteThis@wombat.san-
francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> A big enough fine is not possible, thanks to the NHLPA wanting to set a
> maximum fine not based on the player's salary. If the maximum were,
> say, 10% of a player's salary, that might make someone like Kovalev take
> notice.

I misspoke earlier. I don't think they need to be sending Kovalev a
message (he's not typically a dirty player), but a fine would at least
send a message to the rest of the league that, even if you get away
with it in the game, you're not completely off the hook. Fines build
up, then suspensions follow.

> You don't think ramming someone's head into the dasher from behind
> warrants a long suspension?

I don't think Hollweg intended that to happen. I think he was looking
to cross check someone in the lower back. The Montreal player turned
at the worst possible time, and Hollweg caught him in the lower hip
and catapulted him into the boards. That obviously doesn't forgive
it, up I don't think his ultimate goal was to hurt someone. His
ultimate goal was to hit someone, and get into a fight.

On that same note, I also don't think Kovalev intended to throw the
elbow. Hollweg moved at the last second, and Kovalev just tried to
catch him with any part of his body.

Kovalchuk, on the other hand, decided to take a running start, and
leap into the back of a guy facing the boards. In my opinion, his
intent was much clearer than Hollweg's.

Again, that doesn't absolve Hollweg at all, but I think the replay
indicates the intent, and that's why Hollweg only got 1 game.
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"Bender" <Jeffrey.S.Morrison.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 4, 7:21 pm, Doug Thompson <nospamtha....RemoveThis@na.com> wrote:
>> Hollweg = 1 game suspension
>>
>> Kovalev = Free pass to elbow the head at will
>>
>> Gary's Boys Destroying the NHL = priceless
>
> I don't think Kovalev deserved a suspension. I do, however, think the
> NHL should start making use of fines more often, especially for blows
> to the head. A nice big fine would send enough of a message to
> Kovalev, without resorting to removing him from a game.
>
> Hollweg's suspension was mandatory, and I don't think required any
> additional suspension. If that was a first-time offense this season,
> I don't think he would have gotten suspended at all.
>
> Look at Kovalchuk's hit from behind to see something that rightfully
> deserved a suspension.

I think the calls from Rangers fans for 10+ games suspension for Hollweg is
more wishful thinking than anything else. Personally, I much rather the refs
in the game get penalized more than anybody else.
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On 2008-02-05, kovy <so.TakeThisOut@happy.com> wrote:
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> I think the calls from Rangers fans for 10+ games suspension for Hollweg is
> more wishful thinking than anything else.

How so? It was an exceedingly dangerous act, clearly intentional and
premeditated. If players aren't suspended 10 games for such acts, the
acts will continue to happen, even in the presence of good officiating.

--keith

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"Keith Keller" <kkeller-usenet.DeleteThis@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On 2008-02-05, kovy <so.DeleteThis@happy.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the calls from Rangers fans for 10+ games suspension for Hollweg
>> is
>> more wishful thinking than anything else.
>
> How so? It was an exceedingly dangerous act, clearly intentional and
> premeditated. If players aren't suspended 10 games for such acts, the
> acts will continue to happen, even in the presence of good officiating.

Oh, I'm sooooo sorry to damage your delicate sensibilities with my boorish
violence. I'll go right ahead and let you get back to ballet class,
Katharine.
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