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Adam Prince

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:48 pm
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"Jefferson N. Glapski" <jeffersonWEARE.TakeThisOut@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote in
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>>>> Deal with it. I know you can't but just try...
>>>
>>> As they say, it's better to be lucky than good. No one embodied that
>>> more than the Hurricanes last year. But luck runs out. And the
>>> Hurricanes still get no respect.
>>
>> Really, then why have a lot of teams begun to emulate their play this
>> season. Why can't you just say it was the best series of the entire
>> playoffs, which it was, not get hung up over how you lost and make excuse
>> febricated or not and move on.
>
> True, many people have emulated their play this season. Many teams have
> lost to Buffalo and are around .500.
>
>> Again, why did they blow a one goal lead in the third period of game
>> seven, and a two goal lead in game five. And had the lead for almost the
>> entire regulation periods of game six.
>
> Perhaps because we had 4 defensemen missing? They tend to be very
> important in holding leads.

Again, name one play where the lack of defense or the lower quality of the
replacements cost you a game.

>
>> After the series was tied 2-2, the Sabres had in all three remaining
>> games. They lost the lead in all three only to win one in Overtime. The
>> opportunity was their. And like Maxim Affingenov, they didn't finish.
>
> Who taught you to write? Or are you still dealing with that in the second
> grade?

Still the opportunity was there. The Sabres like Affingenov didn't finish.

>
>> 3-1 in game 5 in the second period. Lost 4-3.
>> 1-0 well into the third of Game 6. Won 2-1.
>> 2-1 and 20 Minutes away from the series win in Game 7. On a late goal
>> that could have been a backbreaker. Lost 4-2.
>
> You mean the PP granted even though the Canes forechecker touched
> Campbell's stick?
>
>> Are you saying, your team also didn't have any heart as well?
>
> No, just had injured defensemen. You seem very sensitive to the fact that
> Carolina wasn't the best team last year.

You're right, they weren't Detroit was. Since you love the stats, they
prove it.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:51 pm
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>> "MBD" <MBD.TakeThisOut@MBD.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Deal with it. I know you can't but just try...
>>>>>
>>>>> As they say, it's better to be lucky than good. No one embodied that
>>>>> more than the Hurricanes last year. But luck runs out. And the
>>>>> Hurricanes still get no respect.
>>>>
>>>> Really, then why have a lot of teams begun to emulate their play this
>>>> season. Why can't you just say it was the best series of the entire
>>>> playoffs, which it was, not get hung up over how you lost and make
>>>> excuse febricated or not and move on.
>>>>
>>>> Again, why did they blow a one goal lead in the third period of game
>>>> seven, and a two goal lead in game five. And had the lead for almost
>>>> the entire regulation periods of game six.
>>>>
>>>> After the series was tied 2-2, the Sabres had in all three remaining
>>>> games. They lost the lead in all three only to win one in Overtime.
>>>> The opportunity was their. And like Maxim Affingenov, they didn't
>>>> finish.
>>>>
>>>> 3-1 in game 5 in the second period. Lost 4-3.
>>>> 1-0 well into the third of Game 6. Won 2-1.
>>>> 2-1 and 20 Minutes away from the series win in Game 7. On a late goal
>>>> that could have been a backbreaker. Lost 4-2.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying, your team also didn't have any heart as well?
>>>
>>> Heart is taking a team to a game 7 *despite* being down their top-4
>>> defensemen and having AHL'ers taking their place. You think that the
>>> Sabres having the lead in some games and losing it had *nothing* to do
>>> with losing defensemen? You see, defensemen stop goals from being
>>> scored. And it's not like the guys they lost were scrubs, or that the
>>> guys who replaced them were superstars.
>>
>> That is very debatable. The folks that game in didn't make any glaring
>> mistakes that lead to goals. So obviously, they were decent enough.
>
> Care to rephrase this as an English sentence?
>
>> There's an argument you could make about it....but I'll let you figure it
>> out.
>
> Only when you speak English first.

Again, name one mistake by the replacements or lack of ability that cost you
a game.

>
>>> So save the "no heart" and "febricated excuses" lines.
>>
>> Hey you are the one who is making the excuses not me. Your team lost in
>> seven games in the best series of the entire playoffs. What if's don't
>> win a championship.
>
> We aren't making excuses, simply stating the fact that we were the best
> team in hockey last year.
>

Detroit were. and you are part of the Sabres organization? When did you
get hired. Congrats! I know you weren't last year!

>>> And be thankful
>>> that your team got an amazing amount of luck to help them win the SC.
>>
>> Thankful every day as a result of the hardwork, skill, heart,
>> determination, and luck (Game 2 New Jersey), that won the Stanley Cup for
>> the Canes. Just as you as a Sabre fan should not discount it in making
>> yet more excuses for the series that you will continue to do until the
>> team wins a championship.
>
> You should really mention luck a few more times.

Yeah Kasparitis was pretty lucky in Game 7 in 2001. You know that hurts
you. 1:19 from moving on to the Finals with home ice advantage. 1:19.
Tell me, pla, did that sting worse or seeing your team blow a lead in game 5
and game 7 last year was even more?

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:55 pm
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>> "MBD" <MBD DeleteThis @MBD.com> wrote in message
>>>> What's the excuse for Game 6 & 7 in 2001?
>>>
>>> I don't know. Maybe having a team with *half* the payroll?
>>
>> You were up 2-1 with 1:19 to go in Game 6. 1:19 and could have moved on
>> to meet the Devils. 1:19 left in Game 6 up three games to two, and after
>> totally outplaying them in Game 5 and Game 6.
>
>
> Care to address his point, or were you surrendering?

Again, if that mattered. Why did Buffalo have home ice in that series?
Obviously the payroll didn't matter in the regular season? So again what
was the reason the Sabres, after dominating Game 6 and had the lead with
1:19 to play, lost that series?

See just flat out say you lost and end it. I know for you , pla, that
stings. Hey it stings to see Volek's goal in 1993 still. You know you can
admit it. Just like the 1979 goal line stand by Alabama makes you cry
today. Or the Minnesota game that started Penn State's downfall.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:57 pm
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>> Well one more win and their goes your prediction of four , by maybe, the
>> first of the year. :-p
>
> Haha...well actually two...one will get you that fourth win. And who
> knows, you only have to play the Sabres two more times before Jan 1.

Oh didn't know you meant more than four wins. :-p
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:04 am
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>> Care to address his point, or were you surrendering?
>
> Again, if that mattered. Why did Buffalo have home ice in that
> series? Obviously the payroll didn't matter in the regular season? So
> again what was the reason the Sabres, after dominating Game 6 and had
> the lead with 1:19 to play, lost that series?
>
> See just flat out say you lost and end it. I know for you , pla, that
> stings. Hey it stings to see Volek's goal in 1993 still. You know
> you can admit it. Just like the 1979 goal line stand by Alabama makes
> you cry today. Or the Minnesota game that started Penn State's
> downfall.


You're *really* as loppy as you sound, when you question what difference
playing with AHL players instead of some of the better defensemen in the
NHL would have made. Put it this way: you think the Hurricanes could have
won without Brind'Amour?

MBD
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:23 am
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"MBD" <MBD.RemoveThis@MBD.com> wrote in message
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>>> Care to address his point, or were you surrendering?
>>
>> Again, if that mattered. Why did Buffalo have home ice in that
>> series? Obviously the payroll didn't matter in the regular season? So
>> again what was the reason the Sabres, after dominating Game 6 and had
>> the lead with 1:19 to play, lost that series?
>>
>> See just flat out say you lost and end it. I know for you , pla, that
>> stings. Hey it stings to see Volek's goal in 1993 still. You know
>> you can admit it. Just like the 1979 goal line stand by Alabama makes
>> you cry today. Or the Minnesota game that started Penn State's
>> downfall.
>
>
> You're *really* as loppy as you sound, when you question what difference
> playing with AHL players instead of some of the better defensemen in the
> NHL would have made. Put it this way: you think the Hurricanes could have
> won without Brind'Amour?

Again, you have yet to name what these players did to cost you the game.

Could the hurricanes won without Brind'Amour? Who knows didn't happen.

Just like no one knows in a seven game series what would have happened if
Buffalo were with healthy defensemen.

I'll give you what the argument should be. Because our team was without
four defensemen, the coach regulated the ice time to the players that were
NHL-caliber. Because of this at the end of Game Seven our defense was
tired, which possibly led to the go ahead and fourth goals.

Would Buffalo have won the series....no one knows...a lot of things could
have happened.

I don't consider it lucky that your team had injured players. If it was
reversed, and the Sabres had won because of injuries to the Canes. I would
have been; Hey, the Hurricanes had injured players but that doesn't make it
the reason they lost the series.

Your team had injuries, no one is disputing that, what no one knows is the
eventual outcome.

And to judge that in two very good and very close games in two games within
the first ten of the regular season is just illogical. Both teams are
different. Heck, using how yourself and others sound, I could make the
argument if the Canes kept Ward, Recchi, Cullen, Weight, they would have won
both games so far this season. But that's pointless. Just like nearly six
month later, continuing to say if only this, if only that...damn I'm a NC
State fan and we don't "if this" and "if that" as much as you all are.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:43 am
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> "MBD" <MBD RemoveThis @MBD.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Care to address his point, or were you surrendering?
>>>
>>> Again, if that mattered. Why did Buffalo have home ice in that
>>> series? Obviously the payroll didn't matter in the regular season?
>>> So again what was the reason the Sabres, after dominating Game 6 and
>>> had the lead with 1:19 to play, lost that series?
>>>
>>> See just flat out say you lost and end it. I know for you , pla,
>>> that stings. Hey it stings to see Volek's goal in 1993 still. You
>>> know you can admit it. Just like the 1979 goal line stand by
>>> Alabama makes you cry today. Or the Minnesota game that started
>>> Penn State's downfall.
>>
>>
>> You're *really* as loppy as you sound, when you question what
>> difference playing with AHL players instead of some of the better
>> defensemen in the NHL would have made. Put it this way: you think
>> the Hurricanes could have won without Brind'Amour?
>
> Again, you have yet to name what these players did to cost you the
> game.
>
> Could the hurricanes won without Brind'Amour? Who knows didn't
> happen.
>
> Just like no one knows in a seven game series what would have happened
> if Buffalo were with healthy defensemen.
>
> I'll give you what the argument should be. Because our team was
> without four defensemen, the coach regulated the ice time to the
> players that were NHL-caliber. Because of this at the end of Game
> Seven our defense was tired, which possibly led to the go ahead and
> fourth goals.

That's part of the argument, given that several of the lesser defensemen
ended up playing more than usual, tiring them out and providing lesser
quality play, along with the AHL call-ups who were inexperienced. As for
specific plays, pick any of the tying, go ahead, or 4th goals. Again the
job of the defense is to stop the opponent from scoring. The better the
defense, the better that has a chance of happening.

MBD
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:48 am
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> "Adam Prince" <aprince4 DeleteThis @nycap.rr.com> wrote in
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>> I'll give you what the argument should be. Because our team was
>> without four defensemen, the coach regulated the ice time to the
>> players that were NHL-caliber. Because of this at the end of Game
>> Seven our defense was tired, which possibly led to the go ahead and
>> fourth goals.
>
> That's part of the argument, given that several of the lesser defensemen
> ended up playing more than usual, tiring them out and providing lesser
> quality play, along with the AHL call-ups who were inexperienced. As for
> specific plays, pick any of the tying, go ahead, or 4th goals. Again the
> job of the defense is to stop the opponent from scoring. The better the
> defense, the better that has a chance of happening.

See if you give specifics like that, I can see what the injuries may have
caused. But by no way, does that mean the outcome of the series would have
changed. If it was one game, yes maybe. But so much can happen either way
in a seven game series.

To me though, arguing that two one goal games so far this season (which
could have gone either way) to prove that the ultimate outcome would have
been different is just absurd. Plus, it's just fun to get Glapski all fired
up.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:07 am
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>> Hey I'd rather be a Pens and Canes fan vs.well being you.
>
> How long have you been a whore?

Well it only took four days for you to go into pointless name calling you're
improving from two!

Very good!
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:09 am
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>>>> "MBD" <MBD RemoveThis @MBD.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> What's the excuse for Game 6 & 7 in 2001?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know. Maybe having a team with *half* the payroll?
>>>>
>>>> You were up 2-1 with 1:19 to go in Game 6. 1:19 and could have moved
>>>> on to meet the Devils. 1:19 left in Game 6 up three games to two, and
>>>> after totally outplaying them in Game 5 and Game 6.
>>>
>>>
>>> Care to address his point, or were you surrendering?
>>
>> Again, if that mattered. Why did Buffalo have home ice in that series?
>> Obviously the payroll didn't matter in the regular season? So again what
>> was the reason the Sabres, after dominating Game 6 and had the lead with
>> 1:19 to play, lost that series?
>>
>> See just flat out say you lost and end it. I know for you , pla, that
>> stings. Hey it stings to see Volek's goal in 1993 still. You know you
>> can admit it. Just like the 1979 goal line stand by Alabama makes you
>> cry today. Or the Minnesota game that started Penn State's downfall.
>
>
> I'll take 21 wins in our past 25 games and being defending Big Ten
> Champions. Then again, for Penn State, that is a downfall. Alabama beat us
> fair and square. Two hail marys helped out Minnesota.



>
> Why would Volek's goal hurt? Unlike you, I don't change my allegiances
> like some two-bit whore. I am a Sabres fan. We didn't play the Isles in
> the playoffs, idiot. I would have thought your Islanders allegiances would
> have ended in 1982.

Again with the name calling how rude, and unlike you. I really thought you
were a top notch poster and all. C'mon you can insult better than that!
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:13 am
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> Detroit played in a piss poor division, something you'd be familiar with.
>
> Adjust for schedule and shootout victories and say that was the best team.

Well then you should understand. Carolina 4 wins Buffalo 3 wins very
easily. No ties or ny adjustments to be made there right? :-p
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:14 am
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>> "Jefferson N. Glapski" <jeffersonWEARE.TakeThisOut@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote in
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>>
>>>> So why did you lose Game Five after having a 3-1 lead then?
>>>
>>>
>>> 3 defensemen and Connolly hurt.
>>
>> Still had the lead in all three games. 20 minutes away from winning the
>> Wales Conference and you blew it.
>>
>> name me a play in that series you can blame the AHL call-ups on. Name me
>> a goal where they blew an assignment, out of position, etc.
>
>
> Rory Fitzpatrick in game 7. Wow, was that easy.

What did he do? Show up?

>
> The Sabres didn't blow one game all year when they had the lead after 2.
> They blow two against the Whalers. I wonder why? Oh yeah, we were missing
> 2/3 of our defense.

Well hey, you lost to games to the Whalers and or Hurricanes when it
mattered most. Your problem not the Hurricanes and or Whalers.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:15 am
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>> "Jefferson N. Glapski" <jeffersonWEARE RemoveThis @PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote in
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>>>> excuse me it was 2001.
>>>
>>>
>>> We expect a lack of hockey knowledge coming from basketball country.
>>
>> Hey you learned something from last year. Raleigh is basketball and not
>> NASCAR. Now if you'd realize you lost four games to three.
>
>
> I know we lost. You haven't come to terms with the fact that we were still
> the better team.

Hey there's a start. Now the other part is debatable...but you don't know
how to debate without unnecessary language so. It kinds hurts the points
you are trying to make right.
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