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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:04 am
Post subject: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson
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Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
to mention Smyth in this way.
From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
he would like to see from his players.
"He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
"That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
"Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
working on."
Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:25 pm
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On Oct 22, 9:04 am, "Bushay" <busha....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
> to mention Smyth in this way.
>
> From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
>
> Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
> he would like to see from his players.
>
> "He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
> whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
> he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
> front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
> that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
>
> "That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
> dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
> does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
>
> "Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
> working on."
>
> Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week.
And Jacques Martin said this:
"He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
useful on the power play."
Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:48 pm
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:25:17 -0700, Freedom Elz
<mediadawg1.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 22, 9:04 am, "Bushay" <busha....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
>> to mention Smyth in this way.
>>
>> From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
>>
>> Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
>> he would like to see from his players.
>>
>> "He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
>> whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
>> he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
>> front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
>> that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
>>
>> "That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
>> dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
>> does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
>>
>> "Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
>> working on."
>>
>> Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week.
>
>And Jacques Martin said this:
>
>"He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>useful on the power play."
>
>Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.
>
Really? He had more even strength goals with 2 minutes less IT than
Stastny last year. >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:27 pm
Post subject: Re: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:25:17 -0700, Freedom Elz
> <mediadawg1 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Oct 22, 9:04 am, "Bushay" <busha... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
>>> to mention Smyth in this way.
>>>
>>> From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
>>>
>>> Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
>>> he would like to see from his players.
>>>
>>> "He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
>>> whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
>>> he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
>>> front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
>>> that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
>>>
>>> "That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
>>> dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
>>> does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
>>>
>>> "Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
>>> working on."
>>>
>>> Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week.
>> And Jacques Martin said this:
>>
>> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>> useful on the power play."
>>
>> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.
>>
> Really? He had more even strength goals with 2 minutes less IT than
> Stastny last year.
Stastny was a rookie last year who wasn't supposed to make the team.
Holmstrom was a ten-year vet.
-Thomas >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:10 pm
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On Oct 22, 4:25 pm, Freedom Elz <mediada....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 9:04 am, "Bushay" <busha....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
> > to mention Smyth in this way.
>
> > From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
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> > Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
> > he would like to see from his players.
>
> > "He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
> > whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
> > he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
> > front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
> > that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
>
> > "That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
> > dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
> > does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
>
> > "Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
> > working on."
>
> > Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week.
>
> And Jacques Martin said this:
>
> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
> useful on the power play."
>
> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.- Hide quoted text -
BWA!
Pure gold. You are so friggin jealous of Holmstrom you've resorted to
googling OTHER nhl coaches for comments about him looking for some
negitive hype about him. He coveted by EVERY team in the league.
Moreso than any Ave on your roster
>
> - Show quoted text - >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:30 pm
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>> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>> useful on the power play."
>>
>> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.- Hide quoted text -
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>BWA!
>
>Pure gold. You are so friggin jealous of Holmstrom you've resorted to
>googling OTHER nhl coaches for comments about him looking for some
>negitive hype about him. He coveted by EVERY team in the league.
>Moreso than any Ave on your roster
*sigh*
Chris >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:18 am
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Chris wrote:
>>> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>>> useful on the power play."
>>>
>>> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> BWA!
>>
>> Pure gold. You are so friggin jealous of Holmstrom you've resorted to
>> googling OTHER nhl coaches for comments about him looking for some
>> negitive hype about him. He coveted by EVERY team in the league.
>> Moreso than any Ave on your roster
>
> *sigh*
I wouldn't mind Holmstrom on the Avs.
I sure as hell wouldn't sit *ANY* of our top six forwards for him at
even strength. No way in hell. He'd be a 3rd-4th liner and PP specialist
in Colorado.
Actually, check that. With Idiot as coach, he'd probably be first line
center and backup goalie.
-Thomas >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:29 am
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:18:10 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>Chris wrote:
>>>> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>>>> useful on the power play."
>>>>
>>>> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> BWA!
>>>
>>> Pure gold. You are so friggin jealous of Holmstrom you've resorted to
>>> googling OTHER nhl coaches for comments about him looking for some
>>> negitive hype about him. He coveted by EVERY team in the league.
>>> Moreso than any Ave on your roster
>>
>> *sigh*
>
>I wouldn't mind Holmstrom on the Avs.
I wouldn't either, though that would give us several of the same
player, and I wonder how many of such players a team can have without
detrimentally affecting overall play due to poor speed, puckhandling,
etc.
>I sure as hell wouldn't sit *ANY* of our top six forwards for him at
>even strength. No way in hell. He'd be a 3rd-4th liner and PP specialist
>in Colorado.
>
>Actually, check that. With Idiot as coach, he'd probably be first line
>center and backup goalie.
Heh. Q would put him anywhere, but NEVER would he play in front of
our 1st line defenseman, the Larry Robinson of our era, Brett Clark.
Never that.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:38 pm
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On Oct 22, 5:48 pm, xpene....RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:25:17 -0700, Freedom Elz
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> <mediada....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 22, 9:04 am, "Bushay" <busha....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Homer been getting a lot of accolades of late. It's funny, they never seem
> >> to mention Smyth in this way.
>
> >> From Ron Wilson in the San Jose Mercury News:
>
> >> Then Wilson talked about Detroit's Tomas Holmstrom as a role model for what
> >> he would like to see from his players.
>
> >> "He goes and stands in front of the net. And he gets punched and he gets
> >> whacked by the goalie, he gets knocked on his keister and he fights back and
> >> he maybe gets a penalty. The next shift, where's Tomas Holmstrom? Back in
> >> front of the net. It might have taken him some time to get comfortable doing
> >> that, but because of what the reward is, you have to do that.
>
> >> "That's what I want to see. When you do get punched in the head, or they
> >> dump it in the corner and you get run on the very first shift of the game,
> >> does it affect your second and your third and your fourth shifts?
>
> >> "Don't allow anybody's efforts to get you off your game. That's what we're
> >> working on."
>
> >> Glen Hanlon said similar words earlier this week.
>
> >And Jacques Martin said this:
>
> >"He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
> >useful on the power play."
>
> >Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.
>
> Really? He had more even strength goals with 2 minutes less IT than
> Stastny last year.- Hide quoted text -
Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
points than
Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
Holmstrom's. >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:40 pm
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Chris wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:18:10 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:
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>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> "He gets garbage goals, not the most skilled guy in the league, but
>>>>> useful on the power play."
>>>>>
>>>>> Just add "ONLY" to the end of that sentence and you have truth.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> BWA!
>>>>
>>>> Pure gold. You are so friggin jealous of Holmstrom you've resorted to
>>>> googling OTHER nhl coaches for comments about him looking for some
>>>> negitive hype about him. He coveted by EVERY team in the league.
>>>> Moreso than any Ave on your roster
>>> *sigh*
>> I wouldn't mind Holmstrom on the Avs.
>
> I wouldn't either, though that would give us several of the same
> player, and I wonder how many of such players a team can have without
> detrimentally affecting overall play due to poor speed, puckhandling,
> etc.
>
>> I sure as hell wouldn't sit *ANY* of our top six forwards for him at
>> even strength. No way in hell. He'd be a 3rd-4th liner and PP specialist
>> in Colorado.
>>
>> Actually, check that. With Idiot as coach, he'd probably be first line
>> center and backup goalie.
>
> Heh. Q would put him anywhere, but NEVER would he play in front of
> our 1st line defenseman, the Larry Robinson of our era, Brett Clark.
> Never that.
Larry Robinson?
*shakes head*
More like Bobby Orr.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:06 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:06 am
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>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>points than
>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>
>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>Holmstrom's.
Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
season. >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:44 pm
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:06:06 -0400, xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
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>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>points than
>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>
>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>Holmstrom's.
>
>Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>season.
About a point a game pace then?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:29 pm
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xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>> points than
>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>> Holmstrom's.
>
> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
> season.
....and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:27 pm
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"Thomas" <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote in message
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> xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>> points than
>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>> Holmstrom's.
>>
>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>> season.
>
> ...and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
> powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
>
> -Thomas
So why all the fuss over when Holmstrom scores? Stansy too for that matter?
I don't think it matters whether he scores at ES or PP...a goal is a goal. >> Stay informed about: First Hanlon, now Ron Wilson |
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