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"Thomas" wrote in message

> Hosmerica wrote:
>> "Thomas" wrote in message
>>
>>> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>> points than
>>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>> season.
>>> ...and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
>>> powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
>>>
>>> -Thomas
>>
>> So why all the fuss over when Holmstrom scores? Stansy too for that
>> matter? I don't think it matters whether he scores at ES or PP...a goal
>> is a goal.
>
> It's easier to score or rack up points on the PP than it is to score them
> at even strength.
>
> Holmstrom has made a career out of scoring garbage PP goals, and nobody is
> knocking him for that. But to even begin to think that he even approaches
> being in the same ballpark in which there is a conversation about Paul
> Stastny is patently absurd.
>
> You don't see Avs fans going on and on about how great Brett Clark is.
> He's the same thing as Holmstrom - a one-dimensional player who has
> serious flaws to the rest of his game. They are both very good at what
> they do in a certain situation, and they are relatively useless otherwise.
>
> -Thomas


LOL!
Holmstom = Clark
Stop it!
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"Thomas" wrote in message

> Hosmerica wrote:
>> "Thomas" wrote in message
>>
>>> Hosmerica wrote:
>>>> "Thomas" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>>>> points than
>>>>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>>>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>>>> season.
>>>>> ...and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
>>>>> powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Thomas
>>>> So why all the fuss over when Holmstrom scores? Stansy too for that
>>>> matter? I don't think it matters whether he scores at ES or PP...a goal
>>>> is a goal.
>>> It's easier to score or rack up points on the PP than it is to score
>>> them at even strength.
>>>
>>> Holmstrom has made a career out of scoring garbage PP goals, and nobody
>>> is knocking him for that. But to even begin to think that he even
>>> approaches being in the same ballpark in which there is a conversation
>>> about Paul Stastny is patently absurd.
>>>
>>> You don't see Avs fans going on and on about how great Brett Clark is.
>>> He's the same thing as Holmstrom - a one-dimensional player who has
>>> serious flaws to the rest of his game. They are both very good at what
>>> they do in a certain situation, and they are relatively useless
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> -Thomas
>>
>> With the level of talent Detroit has, I don't have any problems with
>> having Holmstrom grabbing up "garbage" goals however one-dimensional some
>> say he is. I'm not saying the wings are chucked full of talent and can't
>> do any better, but certainly there's room for a guy that gets in a
>> goalies head as bad as Holmstrom does. I would start Holmstrom over some
>> of the other yahoo's we've had over the years...Deveroux, Dandenault...
>
> Well, yeah, without a doubt.
>
> There seems to be no middle ground (other than myself) when it comes to
> Holmstrom. People seem to either think he's complete garbage, or he's
> Gordie Howe. I see him for what he is, a player who does only one thing,
> but does it very well. There are very few guys in the NHL who do what
> Holmstrom does, much less do it as well as he does. The people who think
> he is garbage seem to think that anyone could do what he does. That's not
> true.
>
> But he's also not a scoring line forward. He can't skate, he isn't
> physical (he takes contact, but doesn't dish it out), and he's awful
> defensively.
>
> He's a good specialist. But there is absolutely no comparison with Paul
> Stastny.
>
> Also, Dandenault never became the player he should have been because he
> was utilized poorly early on. He was a fast, offensively gifted right wing
> who had the potential to be a Brian Rolston-type of player (though more of
> a playmaker than a goal scorer). Bowman turned him into a defensive
> defenseman. Sad to see that happen, but at least he still has a career.

It's the ONLY reason he sill has a career. And he needs to thank Bowman for
it.
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"Freedom Elz" wrote in message

> On Oct 25, 9:28 am, Chris wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:18:12 -0400, xpene....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>> >On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:07:12 -0600, Chris wrote:
>>
>> >>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:42:03 -0400, xpene....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0600, Chris wrote:
>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:06:06 -0400, xpene....DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and
>> >>>>>>less
>> >>>>>>points than
>> >>>>>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>> >>>>>but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>
>> >>>>>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two
>> >>>>>>of
>> >>>>>>Holmstrom's.
>>
>> >>>>>Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he
>> >>>>>had
>> >>>>>a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>> >>>>>that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>> >>>>>season.
>>
>> >>>>About a point a game pace then?
>>
>> >>>Yes. With total points being equal which would you rather have a
>> >>>player that gives you points every game or the player who gives you
>> >>>big points every fourth game?
>>
>> >>Please show me a single NHL player who gave a point every game last
>> >>year. Or the year before. Or any year since Gretzky played in the
>> >>mid-1980s.
>>
>> >Can't do it?
>>
>> Can't do what?
>>
>> > Again which player would you prefer one that is going to
>> >give you steady production or one that gives you a big game and then
>> >goes a couple games giving you nothing?
>>
>> I'd take the former, though in the context of our current discussion,
>> which player scores every game, and which one 'gives you nothing'
>> three games at a time? Your question doesn't cite anything realistic,
>> as there are no NHL players who garner a point every game.
>
> I guess the wings homers were asleep last year when Stastny set a
> consecutive
> games POINTS SCORING STREAK RECORD for a rookie. What was it? 22
> games?
>
> Anyone on Detroit have a 22 game points streak?
>
> <crickets>
>
> Didn't think so.

Not so fast.
Our guys at 14.
http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/players/player/gamelogs/2007/151240
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"Chris" wrote in message

>
>>> I'd take the former, though in the context of our current discussion,
>>> which player scores every game, and which one 'gives you nothing'
>>> three games at a time? Your question doesn't cite anything realistic,
>>> as there are no NHL players who garner a point every game.
>>
>>I guess the wings homers were asleep last year when Stastny set a
>>consecutive
>>games POINTS SCORING STREAK RECORD for a rookie. What was it? 22
>>games?
>>
>>Anyone on Detroit have a 22 game points streak?
>
> More sweeping conclusions after 10 games.
>
> Doug does come up with some doozies though. Though this one certainly
> doesn't come close to last year's "The Wings' rookies are better than
> Stastny because they have a better +/-".
>
> Stastny is very regular in his scoring,

Hmmmmm, this sure show a very different story.
1 point [assist] last 5 games, 2 [assists] last 6. It's been 9 games since
he's scored a goal. That hardly screams "regular" Chris.
You might want to word that.




and has been since he turned
> pro. Let's ignore the 82 games last year and pay 100% attention to
> the 9 this year though, Elz. Plus, who scores in *every* game?
> Absolutely nobody.
>
> Chris
>
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"Chris" wrote in message

>
>>>>>Doug does come up with some doozies though. Though this one certainly
>>>>>doesn't come close to last year's "The Wings' rookies are better than
>>>>>Stastny because they have a better +/-".
>>>>
>>>>I said that? How about coming up with the quotes complete with google
>>>>ids please.
>>>
>>>Sure thing. See:
>>>
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.hockey.nhl.col-avalanche/browse_frm/thread/135bec5ec049bed2/b3754e8146be24ba?lnk=gst&q=noone+ovechkin#b3754e8146be24ba
>>>
>>>Then check post #29, in which you said:
>>>
>>>"Detroit's young guys total + 9 with only Hudler being minus.
>>>Your young guys are a total - 8 with the best Svatos and Richardson
>>>being 0. I assume most of your young guys are getting more PP time and
>>>seeing less PK than the our guys to boot. Taking all that into
>>>consideration I'd say Detroit's young guys are out performing
>>>Colorado's young guys."
>>
>>Young guys = Rookies now? I don't think so.
>
> 21 year old rookies aren't included as young guys? Ok, Doug.
>
> I can see why Thomas gets frustrated wtih your posts from time to
> time.


Do you also see why Doug gets frustrated with this hillbillys post as well
sometimes?

???
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"Thomas" wrote in message

> Freedom Elz wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>> points than
>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>> season.
>>
>> Why would you take them away?
>
> He's trying to come up with a way to make Holmstrom even remotely similar
> to Stastny.
>
> There is no comparison. We all know that.
>
> -Thomas

You mean except for all the stats?
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