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Theresa Donohue

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:45 am
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The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but has
his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game like
the old Jagr?
If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
What little I've seen so far, worries me.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:36 am
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"Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but
> has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game
> like the old Jagr?
> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>

He was the first star tonight. Do not fall into the same trap as other
people here and start bitching when the season is barely a week old. If you
compare it to say an NFL season we are not even out of the first Quarter of
the first game. If the Rangers were 4-0 I'd say the same thing.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:18 pm
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On Oct 13, 12:25?pm, "IommiRULES" <spamt....TakeThisOut@bird.net> wrote:
> "Broadway Blue" <bluesh....TakeThisOut@indigo.news> wrote in message
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> news:feqr4g$2kp$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
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>
>
>
>
> > IommiRULES wrote:
> >> "Theresa Donohue" <theresadono....TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>news:z9YPi.1130$pl2.934@trndny09...
> >>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
> >>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%,
> >>> but has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still
> >>> dominate a game like the old Jagr?
> >>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
> >>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>
> >> He was the first star tonight. Do not fall into the same trap as other
> >> people here and start bitching when the season is barely a week old.
> >> If you compare it to say an NFL season we are not even out of the
> >> first Quarter of the first game. If the Rangers were 4-0 I'd say the
> >> same thing.
>
> > With 78 games in the regular season to be played, it is way too early
> > to be overly negative about anyone. Or yes, overly positive even.
> > As anything can happen.... and very probably will!
>
> Exactly, some fans in here are worse than those Yankee fans booing A-rod,
> The guy is an MVP!

Of what? A 162 game season playing the likes of the Devil Rays,
Orioles, Royals, A's and Rangers and hitting home runs off Triple A
pitchers at best? Maybe even pitchers who should be in AA?

Regular season MVP means squat. It's an individual award. What you do
in the playoffs determines your importance.

>What more do those yankee fan tards want?

For him to show up in October. Just once. Hitting a solo home run down
5 runs isn't showing up.

>He doesn't hit
> in the postseason?

Nope. Never has, never will.

>Well they wouldn't even BE in the post season without
> him!

Where are they now?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:45 pm
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IommiRULES wrote:
> "Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:z9YPi.1130$pl2.934@trndny09...
>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%,
>> but has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still
>> dominate a game like the old Jagr?
>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>>
>
> He was the first star tonight. Do not fall into the same trap as other
> people here and start bitching when the season is barely a week old.
> If you compare it to say an NFL season we are not even out of the
> first Quarter of the first game. If the Rangers were 4-0 I'd say the
> same thing.

With 78 games in the regular season to be played, it is way too early
to be overly negative about anyone. Or yes, overly positive even.
As anything can happen.... and very probably will!
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:45 pm
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"Broadway Blue" <blueshirt RemoveThis @indigo.news> wrote in message
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> IommiRULES wrote:
>> "Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:z9YPi.1130$pl2.934@trndny09...
>>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
>>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%,
>>> but has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still
>>> dominate a game like the old Jagr?
>>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
>>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>>>
>>
>> He was the first star tonight. Do not fall into the same trap as other
>> people here and start bitching when the season is barely a week old.
>> If you compare it to say an NFL season we are not even out of the
>> first Quarter of the first game. If the Rangers were 4-0 I'd say the
>> same thing.
>
> With 78 games in the regular season to be played, it is way too early
> to be overly negative about anyone. Or yes, overly positive even.
> As anything can happen.... and very probably will!
>

Exactly, some fans in here are worse than those Yankee fans booing A-rod,
The guy is an MVP! What more do those yankee fan tards want? He doesn't hit
in the postseason? Well they wouldn't even BE in the post season without
him!
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:51 pm
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On Oct 13, 2:18 pm, Rckwy5 <Rck....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

>
> >What more do those yankee fan tards want?
>
> For him to show up in October. Just once. Hitting a solo home run down
> 5 runs isn't showing up.
>

Maybe if they paid him more money he'd do better in the post
season ...
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:15 pm
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"Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but
> has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game
> like the old Jagr?
> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
> What little I've seen so far, worries me.

Well, first thing is that he isn't young anymore. There a natural amount of
youthful aggression and vigor that athletes have when they are younger that
naturally diminishes. It is often replaced by wisdom and an application of
common sense that allows them to be effectively opportunistic.

Next, you have the fact that Jagr was never a consistently over-aggressive
type of player. When he gets hungry and turns it on, that's a different
story. But he's not really the type of player that has the furious fire in
the belly of the more aggressive guys out there.

Also, Jagr is a different sort of bloke all together. You can tell in his
interviews. First, he's sort of a realist. And he has a "play it safe"
attitude. He keeps things in perspective. If you ask him about his teams
chances for a cup, his first instinct is to say, "well, you have to remember
that there are 29 other teams trying to win the whole thing." He's not an
overly confident guy in general. He's just not that type.

Part of much of the above is the fact that he decides to pick and choose his
spots in games. He's a guy that has experienced many injuries of all types.
He's actually and nagging injury prone guy. So he doesn't go all out in
every period of every game. HE knows that will result in injuries for him
and he'll tire in the game and ultimately in the season. HE often waits for
the 3rd period to turn it up. Or if he sees his team dead on the ice or
behind in the game, he'll turn up the effort level. Otherwise he floats and
dogs it until his teammates make things happen. Then the bells and lights
will go if in his head. That's one of the reasons a guy like Nylander is
very good for Jagr. He doesn't push him to overdo it.

Having said all that, Jagr is by far the best player on the team. He is able
to dominate when he sets his mind on it. When he gets going offensively and
his confidence is up, he'll look like the best offensive player in the
league in stretches. And the Rangers success is entirely contingent on him
dominating offensively and Lundqvist dominating defensively. The Rangers are
nothing without those two guy.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:12 pm
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"kovy" <so.RemoveThis@happy.com> wrote in message
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> "Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:z9YPi.1130$pl2.934@trndny09...
>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but
>> has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game
>> like the old Jagr?
>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>
> Well, first thing is that he isn't young anymore. There a natural amount
> of youthful aggression and vigor that athletes have when they are younger
> that naturally diminishes. It is often replaced by wisdom and an
> application of common sense that allows them to be effectively
> opportunistic.
>
> Next, you have the fact that Jagr was never a consistently over-aggressive
> type of player. When he gets hungry and turns it on, that's a different
> story. But he's not really the type of player that has the furious fire in
> the belly of the more aggressive guys out there.
>
> Also, Jagr is a different sort of bloke all together. You can tell in his
> interviews. First, he's sort of a realist. And he has a "play it safe"
> attitude. He keeps things in perspective. If you ask him about his teams
> chances for a cup, his first instinct is to say, "well, you have to
> remember that there are 29 other teams trying to win the whole thing."
> He's not an overly confident guy in general. He's just not that type.
>
> Part of much of the above is the fact that he decides to pick and choose
> his spots in games. He's a guy that has experienced many injuries of all
> types. He's actually and nagging injury prone guy. So he doesn't go all
> out in every period of every game. HE knows that will result in injuries
> for him and he'll tire in the game and ultimately in the season. HE often
> waits for the 3rd period to turn it up. Or if he sees his team dead on the
> ice or behind in the game, he'll turn up the effort level. Otherwise he
> floats and dogs it until his teammates make things happen. Then the bells
> and lights will go if in his head. That's one of the reasons a guy like
> Nylander is very good for Jagr. He doesn't push him to overdo it.
>
> Having said all that, Jagr is by far the best player on the team. He is
> able to dominate when he sets his mind on it. When he gets going
> offensively and his confidence is up, he'll look like the best offensive
> player in the league in stretches. And the Rangers success is entirely
> contingent on him dominating offensively and Lundqvist dominating
> defensively. The Rangers are nothing without those two guy.
>

I would agree with a lot of what you are saying here and he does get a
little turnover prone but he is still probably the hardest guy in the league
to knock off the puck and IS one of the best players in the world, even if
he does take a shift off here or there. Plus it looks like he is taking that
deadly one timer again which is a weapon he didn't have all of last year
because the shoulder. Lets hope he stays healthy or the expected deep
playoff run could be short circuited.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:59 pm
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:25:14 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis.DeleteThis@bird.net>
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>"Broadway Blue" <blueshirt.DeleteThis@indigo.news> wrote in message
>news:feqr4g$2kp$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> IommiRULES wrote:
>>> "Theresa Donohue" <theresadonohue.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:z9YPi.1130$pl2.934@trndny09...
>>>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
>>>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%,
>>>> but has his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still
>>>> dominate a game like the old Jagr?
>>>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
>>>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He was the first star tonight. Do not fall into the same trap as other
>>> people here and start bitching when the season is barely a week old.
>>> If you compare it to say an NFL season we are not even out of the
>>> first Quarter of the first game. If the Rangers were 4-0 I'd say the
>>> same thing.
>>
>> With 78 games in the regular season to be played, it is way too early
>> to be overly negative about anyone. Or yes, overly positive even.
>> As anything can happen.... and very probably will!
>>
>
>Exactly, some fans in here are worse than those Yankee fans booing A-rod,
>The guy is an MVP! What more do those yankee fan tards want? He doesn't hit
>in the postseason? Well they wouldn't even BE in the post season without
>him!


They're not in the post season.

peace,

Rog
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:44 pm
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On Oct 12, 10:51 pm, "Theresa Donohue" <theresadono....TakeThisOut@verizon.net>
wrote:
> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but has
> his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game like
> the old Jagr?
> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
> What little I've seen so far, worries me.

kovy said it better than I could, but Jagr is still far and away the
best player on the Rangers. He dogs it on the backcheck too much, in
my opinion, but what he does when he has the puck is pretty
extraordinary. There aren't many in the league who are as strong with
the puck as he is. He can still skate circles around most everybody,
and he's so freaking big that no one can knock him off the puck unless
they have a 10 stride head start.

He doesn't need to dominate a game, he just needs to be a playmaker.
I don't think the Rangers expect any more from him than that.


(I don't think he should be captain though!)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:45 am
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"Bender" <Jeffrey.S.Morrison DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 12, 10:51 pm, "Theresa Donohue" <theresadono... DeleteThis @verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> The season just started and Jagr sometimes looks tired and delicate.
>> Sometimes he looks great.... I know he doesn't always put out 100%, but
>> has
>> his effectivness diminished this much? Can he still dominate a game like
>> the old Jagr?
>> If he avoids hitting and getting hit, will he remain healthy?
>> What little I've seen so far, worries me.
>
> kovy said it better than I could, but Jagr is still far and away the
> best player on the Rangers. He dogs it on the backcheck too much, in
> my opinion, but what he does when he has the puck is pretty
> extraordinary. There aren't many in the league who are as strong with
> the puck as he is. He can still skate circles around most everybody,
> and he's so freaking big that no one can knock him off the puck unless
> they have a 10 stride head start.
>
> He doesn't need to dominate a game, he just needs to be a playmaker.
> I don't think the Rangers expect any more from him than that.
>
>
> (I don't think he should be captain though!)
>
You all are correct. It is way too early for me to be a critic. Jagr is a
great player and I would love for him to do great things for the Rangers. I
just get frustrated when I see other teams out work us.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:45 am
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On Oct 13, 11:34 pm, "kovy" <s....RemoveThis@happy.com> wrote:
> And hopefully they'll find a
> suitable center for him.

I know where they could find one....
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