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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:42 pm
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He has kept quiet while Foghorn Leghorn has spewed his verbal diarrhea
all over the place...but now the gloves are off and he has put Burke in
his place. Just like a Mastercard commercial...this is priceless!

OILERS' GENERAL MANAGER LOWE RIPS BACK AT BURKE
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242532&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

(TSN)After a year of enduring the wrath of Brian Burke, Edmonton Oilers
general manager Kevin Lowe finally fired back at the Anaheim Ducks'
executive on Friday.

In a candid interview with Edmonton's Team 1260, Lowe - who stayed
relatively quiet each time Burke went after him over the last 12 months
- finally let it all out.

"Where do I begin?," started Lowe. "He's a moron, first of all.
Secondly, he really believes that any news for the NHL is good news.
Thirdly, he loves the limelight and I don't think anyone in hockey will
dispute that. Lastly, he's in a pathetic hockey market where they can't
get on any page of the newspaper let alone the front page of the sports,
so any of this stuff carries on."

Burke and Lowe have been at odds since the Oilers put forth a five-year,
$21.25 million offer sheet to Group II restricted free agent Dustin
Penner last summer - a contract that the Ducks did not match and sent
Penner to Edmonton.

At the time, Burke explained he had no problem with a team putting an
offer sheet forward offer sheets but the money involved was the issue.
Lowe's responded in kind on Friday, saying the standard for such
contracts was set long before the Penner situation.

"I mean, if he wants to debate what our offer sheet did to them or to
the salaries, anytime," he explained to Team 1260. "The reality is, Rick
Nash's contract a number of years ago, (Patrice) Bergeron's and (Ilya)
Kovalchuk's; that sets the standard - that's been going on for decades.
I'm sick and tired of it. I know everybody in hockey is. I know our
peers are like, 'well, that's Burkie.' This guy is an absolute media
junkie and I guess he's achieving what he wants because he gets his name
in the headlines. But I hate the fact that my name is linked to his.
He's an underachieving wanna-be in terms of success in the NHL. He won a
Stanley Cup? Great. I've won six Stanley Cups, you want to count rings?
Who cares, it's just a little pathetic that he carries on."

The latest chapter in the feud came on Wednesday, after the Ducks signed
restricted free agent forward Corey Perry to a five-year extension worth
$26.63 million. Burke had some choice words about the new salary climate
in the NHL after this week's high-profile signings, and blamed Lowe for
eliminating the 'second contract' from team-player negotiations.

The long-standing rivalry between Lowe and Burke has also brought up
whispers of a conspiracy theory that the two men are hamming it up for
added exposure for the league.

"I remember Dean Lombardi last summer saying to me, 'You guys are (just)
putting this on, you're not really feeling this way. The NHL likes this
stuff, they want to create a little angst in the media and stuff and get
some headlines?'" recalled Lowe.

"I said, 'No Dean, this is real.' He was shocked that this was going on
but Burkie loves the limelight. He's all bluff and loud and Mac T (head
coach Craig MacTavish) said it best - he's like the Wizard of Oz, you
pull the curtains away and there's not much substance."

Burke, who joined the Ducks as general manager in 2005, helped build a
championship contender in Anaheim that eventually won the Stanley Cup in
2007. That achievement didn't score too high with Lowe, who was quick to
point out the other ups and downs of his time with the Ducks, along with
the shortcomings of Burke's former team, the Vancouver Canucks.

"Here's a fact - he left (former Canucks GM) Dave Nonis nothing in
Vancouver," he explained. "Nothing. He destroyed that team. If it wasn't
for Nonis' incredible deals - to con Mike Keenan to get Luongo in
Vancouver - that team was taking a nose dive two years ago."

"I mean, that's his M.O., but no one says anything. He goes into Anaheim
and he inherits an incredible team. He gets Chris Pronger - not because
of our relationship, it just so happened we had five or six teams and
targeted their assets. We had Florida, Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Jose
and Los Angeles. He just happened to throw enough assets our way to get
the player. Kudos to him. He recognizes that at the end of the day, you
throw enough assets, you get the best player and you get a good deal.
You never know in this business if you're going to win at the end of the
day. He could have just decimated the franchise forever. I'll tell you
this, they have not much coming. Bobby Ryan has been a questionable pick
at No. 2 (overall in 2005), and up until this draft, they tried to move
down and did a nice job of trying to replenish their depth chart. They
had nothing coming, and that appears to be his M.O."

Lowe even left an intriguing cliffhanger for the radio station's listeners.

"Don't even ask me about Scott Niedermayer, I've already lowered myself
in terms of (talking about) how they acquired him," he said. "That's a
story for another day, but they were able to bring Niedermayer and
Pronger in and they won a Stanley Cup."

In closing, Lowe went so far as to send out a tongue-in-cheek message to
his front office nemesis.

"Anaheim has decent players - Corey Perry is a hell of a player," he
said. "What I really want to say about his bickering about parity and
the salary cap is if you're unhappy about them, then trade him (Perry)
our way, we'll be glad to have him."

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100% agree Apeman. Worded perfectly by Lowe, demonstrating which one of
them has eloquence and class, and which one of them is just a blathering
eejit. If Burke were smart, he'd keep quiet and let this die.

So I expect a reply from him any minute.

Steve

"Mad Ape" <chiefape.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He has kept quiet while Foghorn Leghorn has spewed his verbal diarrhea
> all over the place...but now the gloves are off and he has put Burke in
> his place. Just like a Mastercard commercial...this is priceless!
>
> OILERS' GENERAL MANAGER LOWE RIPS BACK AT BURKE
> http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242532&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main
>
> (TSN)After a year of enduring the wrath of Brian Burke, Edmonton Oilers
> general manager Kevin Lowe finally fired back at the Anaheim Ducks'
> executive on Friday.
>
> In a candid interview with Edmonton's Team 1260, Lowe - who stayed
> relatively quiet each time Burke went after him over the last 12 months
> - finally let it all out.
>
> "Where do I begin?," started Lowe. "He's a moron, first of all.
> Secondly, he really believes that any news for the NHL is good news.
> Thirdly, he loves the limelight and I don't think anyone in hockey will
> dispute that. Lastly, he's in a pathetic hockey market where they can't
> get on any page of the newspaper let alone the front page of the sports,
> so any of this stuff carries on."
>
> Burke and Lowe have been at odds since the Oilers put forth a five-year,
> $21.25 million offer sheet to Group II restricted free agent Dustin
> Penner last summer - a contract that the Ducks did not match and sent
> Penner to Edmonton.
>
> At the time, Burke explained he had no problem with a team putting an
> offer sheet forward offer sheets but the money involved was the issue.
> Lowe's responded in kind on Friday, saying the standard for such
> contracts was set long before the Penner situation.
>
> "I mean, if he wants to debate what our offer sheet did to them or to
> the salaries, anytime," he explained to Team 1260. "The reality is, Rick
> Nash's contract a number of years ago, (Patrice) Bergeron's and (Ilya)
> Kovalchuk's; that sets the standard - that's been going on for decades.
> I'm sick and tired of it. I know everybody in hockey is. I know our
> peers are like, 'well, that's Burkie.' This guy is an absolute media
> junkie and I guess he's achieving what he wants because he gets his name
> in the headlines. But I hate the fact that my name is linked to his.
> He's an underachieving wanna-be in terms of success in the NHL. He won a
> Stanley Cup? Great. I've won six Stanley Cups, you want to count rings?
> Who cares, it's just a little pathetic that he carries on."
>
> The latest chapter in the feud came on Wednesday, after the Ducks signed
> restricted free agent forward Corey Perry to a five-year extension worth
> $26.63 million. Burke had some choice words about the new salary climate
> in the NHL after this week's high-profile signings, and blamed Lowe for
> eliminating the 'second contract' from team-player negotiations.
>
> The long-standing rivalry between Lowe and Burke has also brought up
> whispers of a conspiracy theory that the two men are hamming it up for
> added exposure for the league.
>
> "I remember Dean Lombardi last summer saying to me, 'You guys are (just)
> putting this on, you're not really feeling this way. The NHL likes this
> stuff, they want to create a little angst in the media and stuff and get
> some headlines?'" recalled Lowe.
>
> "I said, 'No Dean, this is real.' He was shocked that this was going on
> but Burkie loves the limelight. He's all bluff and loud and Mac T (head
> coach Craig MacTavish) said it best - he's like the Wizard of Oz, you
> pull the curtains away and there's not much substance."
>
> Burke, who joined the Ducks as general manager in 2005, helped build a
> championship contender in Anaheim that eventually won the Stanley Cup in
> 2007. That achievement didn't score too high with Lowe, who was quick to
> point out the other ups and downs of his time with the Ducks, along with
> the shortcomings of Burke's former team, the Vancouver Canucks.
>
> "Here's a fact - he left (former Canucks GM) Dave Nonis nothing in
> Vancouver," he explained. "Nothing. He destroyed that team. If it wasn't
> for Nonis' incredible deals - to con Mike Keenan to get Luongo in
> Vancouver - that team was taking a nose dive two years ago."
>
> "I mean, that's his M.O., but no one says anything. He goes into Anaheim
> and he inherits an incredible team. He gets Chris Pronger - not because
> of our relationship, it just so happened we had five or six teams and
> targeted their assets. We had Florida, Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Jose
> and Los Angeles. He just happened to throw enough assets our way to get
> the player. Kudos to him. He recognizes that at the end of the day, you
> throw enough assets, you get the best player and you get a good deal.
> You never know in this business if you're going to win at the end of the
> day. He could have just decimated the franchise forever. I'll tell you
> this, they have not much coming. Bobby Ryan has been a questionable pick
> at No. 2 (overall in 2005), and up until this draft, they tried to move
> down and did a nice job of trying to replenish their depth chart. They
> had nothing coming, and that appears to be his M.O."
>
> Lowe even left an intriguing cliffhanger for the radio station's
listeners.
>
> "Don't even ask me about Scott Niedermayer, I've already lowered myself
> in terms of (talking about) how they acquired him," he said. "That's a
> story for another day, but they were able to bring Niedermayer and
> Pronger in and they won a Stanley Cup."
>
> In closing, Lowe went so far as to send out a tongue-in-cheek message to
> his front office nemesis.
>
> "Anaheim has decent players - Corey Perry is a hell of a player," he
> said. "What I really want to say about his bickering about parity and
> the salary cap is if you're unhappy about them, then trade him (Perry)
> our way, we'll be glad to have him."

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"Mad Ape" <chiefape RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He has kept quiet while Foghorn Leghorn has spewed his verbal diarrhea all
> over the place...but now the gloves are off and he has put Burke in his
> place. Just like a Mastercard commercial...this is priceless!
>
> OILERS' GENERAL MANAGER LOWE RIPS BACK AT BURKE
> http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242532&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main
>
> (TSN)After a year of enduring the wrath of Brian Burke, Edmonton Oilers
> general manager Kevin Lowe finally fired back at the Anaheim Ducks'
> executive on Friday.
>
> In a candid interview with Edmonton's Team 1260, Lowe - who stayed
> relatively quiet each time Burke went after him over the last 12 months -
> finally let it all out.
>
> "Where do I begin?," started Lowe. "He's a moron, first of all. Secondly,
> he really believes that any news for the NHL is good news. Thirdly, he
> loves the limelight and I don't think anyone in hockey will dispute that.
> Lastly, he's in a pathetic hockey market where they can't get on any page
> of the newspaper let alone the front page of the sports, so any of this
> stuff carries on."
>
> Burke and Lowe have been at odds since the Oilers put forth a five-year,
> $21.25 million offer sheet to Group II restricted free agent Dustin Penner
> last summer - a contract that the Ducks did not match and sent Penner to
> Edmonton.
>
> At the time, Burke explained he had no problem with a team putting an
> offer sheet forward offer sheets but the money involved was the issue.
> Lowe's responded in kind on Friday, saying the standard for such contracts
> was set long before the Penner situation.
>
> "I mean, if he wants to debate what our offer sheet did to them or to the
> salaries, anytime," he explained to Team 1260. "The reality is, Rick
> Nash's contract a number of years ago, (Patrice) Bergeron's and (Ilya)
> Kovalchuk's; that sets the standard - that's been going on for decades.
> I'm sick and tired of it. I know everybody in hockey is. I know our peers
> are like, 'well, that's Burkie.' This guy is an absolute media junkie and
> I guess he's achieving what he wants because he gets his name in the
> headlines. But I hate the fact that my name is linked to his. He's an
> underachieving wanna-be in terms of success in the NHL. He won a Stanley
> Cup? Great. I've won six Stanley Cups, you want to count rings? Who cares,
> it's just a little pathetic that he carries on."
>
> The latest chapter in the feud came on Wednesday, after the Ducks signed
> restricted free agent forward Corey Perry to a five-year extension worth
> $26.63 million. Burke had some choice words about the new salary climate
> in the NHL after this week's high-profile signings, and blamed Lowe for
> eliminating the 'second contract' from team-player negotiations.
>
> The long-standing rivalry between Lowe and Burke has also brought up
> whispers of a conspiracy theory that the two men are hamming it up for
> added exposure for the league.
>
> "I remember Dean Lombardi last summer saying to me, 'You guys are (just)
> putting this on, you're not really feeling this way. The NHL likes this
> stuff, they want to create a little angst in the media and stuff and get
> some headlines?'" recalled Lowe.
>
> "I said, 'No Dean, this is real.' He was shocked that this was going on
> but Burkie loves the limelight. He's all bluff and loud and Mac T (head
> coach Craig MacTavish) said it best - he's like the Wizard of Oz, you pull
> the curtains away and there's not much substance."
>
> Burke, who joined the Ducks as general manager in 2005, helped build a
> championship contender in Anaheim that eventually won the Stanley Cup in
> 2007. That achievement didn't score too high with Lowe, who was quick to
> point out the other ups and downs of his time with the Ducks, along with
> the shortcomings of Burke's former team, the Vancouver Canucks.
>
> "Here's a fact - he left (former Canucks GM) Dave Nonis nothing in
> Vancouver," he explained. "Nothing. He destroyed that team. If it wasn't
> for Nonis' incredible deals - to con Mike Keenan to get Luongo in
> Vancouver - that team was taking a nose dive two years ago."
>
> "I mean, that's his M.O., but no one says anything. He goes into Anaheim
> and he inherits an incredible team. He gets Chris Pronger - not because of
> our relationship, it just so happened we had five or six teams and
> targeted their assets. We had Florida, Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Jose and
> Los Angeles. He just happened to throw enough assets our way to get the
> player. Kudos to him. He recognizes that at the end of the day, you throw
> enough assets, you get the best player and you get a good deal. You never
> know in this business if you're going to win at the end of the day. He
> could have just decimated the franchise forever. I'll tell you this, they
> have not much coming. Bobby Ryan has been a questionable pick at No. 2
> (overall in 2005), and up until this draft, they tried to move down and
> did a nice job of trying to replenish their depth chart. They had nothing
> coming, and that appears to be his M.O."
>
> Lowe even left an intriguing cliffhanger for the radio station's
> listeners.
>
> "Don't even ask me about Scott Niedermayer, I've already lowered myself in
> terms of (talking about) how they acquired him," he said. "That's a story
> for another day, but they were able to bring Niedermayer and Pronger in
> and they won a Stanley Cup."
>
> In closing, Lowe went so far as to send out a tongue-in-cheek message to
> his front office nemesis.
>
> "Anaheim has decent players - Corey Perry is a hell of a player," he said.
> "What I really want to say about his bickering about parity and the salary
> cap is if you're unhappy about them, then trade him (Perry) our way, we'll
> be glad to have him."


I'm luvin' it! Can't wait for this moron to get to Toronto.

Ed
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On Jul 5, 5:46 am, "Ed M." <ed.matth....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm luvin' it! Can't wait for this moron to get to Toronto.

Not me. Burke may shoot his mouth off at times, but he's a good GM.
Most importantly, he's got enough credibility to hold the Toronto
media wolves at bay for a couple of years of rebuilding.

Jim
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On Jul 5, 12:48 pm, j.ba....RemoveThis@comcast.net wrote:
> On Jul 5, 5:46 am, "Ed M." <ed.matth....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm luvin' it! Can't wait for this moron to get to Toronto.
>
> Not me.  Burke may shoot his mouth off at times, but he's a good GM.
> Most importantly, he's got enough credibility to hold the Toronto
> media wolves at bay for a couple of years of rebuilding.
>
> Jim

Burke has been in the right place at the right time. As a GM he was
able to give the Ducks a nudge to put them over as a Cup winner. But
where is the evidence he can rebuild a team and sustain success?
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"Preacher" <sdean53NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMcogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> 100% agree Apeman. Worded perfectly by Lowe, demonstrating which one of
> them has eloquence and class, and which one of them is just a blathering
> eejit. If Burke were smart, he'd keep quiet and let this die.
>
> So I expect a reply from him any minute.
>
> Steve
>
> "Mad Ape" <chiefape.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g4mjhc$7jn$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> He has kept quiet while Foghorn Leghorn has spewed his verbal diarrhea
>> all over the place...but now the gloves are off and he has put Burke in
>> his place. Just like a Mastercard commercial...this is priceless!
>>
>> OILERS' GENERAL MANAGER LOWE RIPS BACK AT BURKE
>> http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242532&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main
>>
>> (TSN)After a year of enduring the wrath of Brian Burke, Edmonton Oilers
>> general manager Kevin Lowe finally fired back at the Anaheim Ducks'
>> executive on Friday.
>>
>> In a candid interview with Edmonton's Team 1260, Lowe - who stayed
>> relatively quiet each time Burke went after him over the last 12 months
>> - finally let it all out.
>>
>> "Where do I begin?," started Lowe. "He's a moron, first of all.
>> Secondly, he really believes that any news for the NHL is good news.
>> Thirdly, he loves the limelight and I don't think anyone in hockey will
>> dispute that. Lastly, he's in a pathetic hockey market where they can't
>> get on any page of the newspaper let alone the front page of the sports,
>> so any of this stuff carries on."
>>
>> Burke and Lowe have been at odds since the Oilers put forth a five-year,
>> $21.25 million offer sheet to Group II restricted free agent Dustin
>> Penner last summer - a contract that the Ducks did not match and sent
>> Penner to Edmonton.
>>
>> At the time, Burke explained he had no problem with a team putting an
>> offer sheet forward offer sheets but the money involved was the issue.
>> Lowe's responded in kind on Friday, saying the standard for such
>> contracts was set long before the Penner situation.
>>
>> "I mean, if he wants to debate what our offer sheet did to them or to
>> the salaries, anytime," he explained to Team 1260. "The reality is, Rick
>> Nash's contract a number of years ago, (Patrice) Bergeron's and (Ilya)
>> Kovalchuk's; that sets the standard - that's been going on for decades.
>> I'm sick and tired of it. I know everybody in hockey is. I know our
>> peers are like, 'well, that's Burkie.' This guy is an absolute media
>> junkie and I guess he's achieving what he wants because he gets his name
>> in the headlines. But I hate the fact that my name is linked to his.
>> He's an underachieving wanna-be in terms of success in the NHL. He won a
>> Stanley Cup? Great. I've won six Stanley Cups, you want to count rings?
>> Who cares, it's just a little pathetic that he carries on."
>>
>> The latest chapter in the feud came on Wednesday, after the Ducks signed
>> restricted free agent forward Corey Perry to a five-year extension worth
>> $26.63 million. Burke had some choice words about the new salary climate
>> in the NHL after this week's high-profile signings, and blamed Lowe for
>> eliminating the 'second contract' from team-player negotiations.
>>
>> The long-standing rivalry between Lowe and Burke has also brought up
>> whispers of a conspiracy theory that the two men are hamming it up for
>> added exposure for the league.
>>
>> "I remember Dean Lombardi last summer saying to me, 'You guys are (just)
>> putting this on, you're not really feeling this way. The NHL likes this
>> stuff, they want to create a little angst in the media and stuff and get
>> some headlines?'" recalled Lowe.
>>
>> "I said, 'No Dean, this is real.' He was shocked that this was going on
>> but Burkie loves the limelight. He's all bluff and loud and Mac T (head
>> coach Craig MacTavish) said it best - he's like the Wizard of Oz, you
>> pull the curtains away and there's not much substance."
>>
>> Burke, who joined the Ducks as general manager in 2005, helped build a
>> championship contender in Anaheim that eventually won the Stanley Cup in
>> 2007. That achievement didn't score too high with Lowe, who was quick to
>> point out the other ups and downs of his time with the Ducks, along with
>> the shortcomings of Burke's former team, the Vancouver Canucks.
>>
>> "Here's a fact - he left (former Canucks GM) Dave Nonis nothing in
>> Vancouver," he explained. "Nothing. He destroyed that team. If it wasn't
>> for Nonis' incredible deals - to con Mike Keenan to get Luongo in
>> Vancouver - that team was taking a nose dive two years ago."
>>
>> "I mean, that's his M.O., but no one says anything. He goes into Anaheim
>> and he inherits an incredible team. He gets Chris Pronger - not because
>> of our relationship, it just so happened we had five or six teams and
>> targeted their assets. We had Florida, Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Jose
>> and Los Angeles. He just happened to throw enough assets our way to get
>> the player. Kudos to him. He recognizes that at the end of the day, you
>> throw enough assets, you get the best player and you get a good deal.
>> You never know in this business if you're going to win at the end of the
>> day. He could have just decimated the franchise forever. I'll tell you
>> this, they have not much coming. Bobby Ryan has been a questionable pick
>> at No. 2 (overall in 2005), and up until this draft, they tried to move
>> down and did a nice job of trying to replenish their depth chart. They
>> had nothing coming, and that appears to be his M.O."
>>
>> Lowe even left an intriguing cliffhanger for the radio station's
> listeners.
>>
>> "Don't even ask me about Scott Niedermayer, I've already lowered myself
>> in terms of (talking about) how they acquired him," he said. "That's a
>> story for another day, but they were able to bring Niedermayer and
>> Pronger in and they won a Stanley Cup."
>>
>> In closing, Lowe went so far as to send out a tongue-in-cheek message to
>> his front office nemesis.
>>
>> "Anaheim has decent players - Corey Perry is a hell of a player," he
>> said. "What I really want to say about his bickering about parity and
>> the salary cap is if you're unhappy about them, then trade him (Perry)
>> our way, we'll be glad to have him."
>
>

I feel good for Lowe finally striking back at what was i thought a dead
issue last summer. Burke must understand that GM's are going to do whatever
they feel is necessary to help their team succeed. Remember in the early
ninties when the Blues went out and signed RFA players for huge money.
First it was Brendan Shanahan, then Scott Stevens.. Edmonton (like
Montreal) for whatever reason is NOT a desired free agent target. The
Oilers lose because of their travel schedule, the Habs because of the
language barrier. Its neither cities fault. So Lowe did what he thought he
could to lure a premier free agent to Edmonton. Kudos to him. Burke was
just sour that it was his player. He didnt bark when Lowe tried to get
Vanek out of Buffalo for 10 million a season to start.

To be fair to Burke, he has won more Stanley Cups as a GM then Lowe has.
Still id love to have Lowe as my GM in Toronto.

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On Jul 5, 5:46 am, "Ed M." <ed.matth... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm luvin' it! Can't wait for this moron to get to Toronto.

Not me. Burke may shoot his mouth off at times, but he's a good GM.
Most importantly, he's got enough credibility to hold the Toronto
media wolves at bay for a couple of years of rebuilding.

Jim

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No offense Jim but why would you say he is a good GM? He had a solid team in
the ducks when he went there. Got Pronger for little because Lowe's hands
were tied. Then Scott 'decided' to join Rob there and the rest is history.

He left the Canucks in a mess when he left Vancouver.

So please explain why you think he is good.


Ed
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:02 pm
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The best analogy I can think of for GM's abilities is a poker table.
There are sharks and fish, and the sharks will win more often than
not, but it's still possible for the fish to win big on a lucky hand.
Anyone who brags about how well they've done on one hand is an
idiot.

The thing is, you can be a very good poker player but end up at a
table of players where you are over your head. And the NHL GM's are
like the final tables at the WSOP -- you'd better know what the hell
you're doing or else you will get schooled. The key is survival -- and
guys like Holland and Lou are exceptional survivors.

One more thing -- being able to manage a good team with good assets is
surprisingly harder that one would think -- you've got a lot more egos
and politics to manage when everyone wants their slice of success.
Without a firm hand on the wheel things can blow up real good if the
wrong person is in charge.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:31 pm
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On Jul 7, 3:02 pm, hemp....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> The best analogy I can think of for GM's abilities is a poker table.
> There are sharks and fish, and the sharks will win more often than
> not, but it's still possible for the fish to win big on a lucky hand.
> Anyone who brags about how well they've done on one hand is an
> idiot.
>
> The thing is, you can be a very good poker player but end up at a
> table of players where you are over your head. And the NHL GM's are
> like the final tables at the WSOP -- you'd better know what the hell
> you're doing or else you will get schooled. The key is survival -- and
> guys like Holland and Lou are exceptional survivors.

Problem with the poker anology is too many players at the table, and
not enough card draws. GMs who want to win need to sneak cards they
need out of the discard pile / dummy hands / or the deck, when the
other players are not paying attention
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