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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:51 pm
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "hmmm" <flame_fan RemoveThis @NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:h%anc.416571$oR5.306432@pd7tw3no...
> > Nope, you are wrong about the trap. Deal with it.
>
> I don't hate the Flames for their success- one can't help but feel good
> about them making back to the show after nearly a decade out. But they
play
> the trap, a system that I have no respect for whatsoever. BTW, when you
> make an argument, it's usually considered a good idea to support it
somehow.
>

WRONG.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:53 pm
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>when they have the lead, they never send in more than 1 guy to
> forecheck.

WTF??? WHEN DID THEY EVER DO THAT? WRONG MAN..JESUS


That is the trap- maybe when you guys watch Game 1 against the
> Sharks you'll see this. Counterattacking off or a turnover is not the
same
> thing as sending in more than 1 guy to forecheck....

Nope, you are on crack!

>
> Ragnarok73
> --
> "Life is warfare and the sojourn of a stranger in a strange land." -
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> Aurelius
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:58 am
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"Lee Townsend" <tlt10.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone who says the flames are a trapping team isn't a fan of hockey.
> Watch the game today, they are flying out there, not hanging back
> waiting for a lapse by the sharks. 2-0 and more to come :)
>

Spoke too soon- they won it in OT after trying to sit back on that lead
and failing miserably. So much for the arguments that the Flames are
aggressive when they have the lead....

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:03 am
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"hmmm" <flame_fan RemoveThis @NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> WRONG.

Well, at least you've shown the effort, even if your argument is as
simplistic as a 5-year-old's. Part of me is torn- I'd like to see the
Flames win it just because they're the only Canadian team left and because I
like Iginla, but part of me doesn't want them to win because then the NHLPA
will be able to use them as an argument that small-market teams CAN win the
Cup in this day and age after a decade in which only large-market teams have
been winning it come next year's CBA negotiations. But the fact is the
Flames play a variation of the trap- they don't have the talent up and down
their roster to play a wide-open game. If they tried to play like the
Oilers do, they wouldn't be where they are right now.

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:04 am
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"hmmm" <flame_fan.RemoveThis@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> >when they have the lead, they never send in more than 1 guy to
> > forecheck.
>
> WTF??? WHEN DID THEY EVER DO THAT? WRONG MAN..JESUS

Today, when they tried in vain to sit on a 2-0 lead against the Sharks.
Wake up and face facts. Winning is winning, but that's how your team is
doing it.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:33 am
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Spoke too soon- they won it in OT after trying to sit back on that lead
> and failing miserably. So much for the arguments that the Flames are
> aggressive when they have the lead....
>
> Ragnarok73
> --
They weren't sitting back on the lead..... pffffft you are clueless!
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:43 pm
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"hmmm" <flame_fan.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> > Spoke too soon- they won it in OT after trying to sit back on that
lead
> > and failing miserably. So much for the arguments that the Flames are
> > aggressive when they have the lead....
> >
> > Ragnarok73
> > --
> They weren't sitting back on the lead..... pffffft you are clueless!

So when the Sharks were tying up the game at 2 goals each, the Flames were
being aggressive as they were playing in their own end for most of the 2nd
period? You weren't actually watching that game, were you?

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 1:44 am
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cATnc.439232
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> So when the Sharks were tying up the game at 2 goals each, the Flames
were
> being aggressive as they were playing in their own end for most of the 2nd
> period? You weren't actually watching that game, were you?
>


if they were playing the trap, there's no way the sharks would have tied it
up! We were playing aggresive, thats why we got caught...
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:59 am
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Ragnarok...I watched part of the game tonight...yeah Sharks!...your
description below is exactly right...that's how the Lames play, plus
they were trying to run Nabokov all night and were continually getting
away with interfering with him. Then the usual Lames goonery at the
end...gawd I hate that team!

Ragnarok73 wrote:
> "Oily" <me.RemoveThis@there.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Do you even know what the NZT is? If you do, please describe its
>>variations for us. I imagine this request will be an impossibility for
>>you since you really don't know what the trap is. Having watched the
>>Flames almost as much as the Oil, I'll tell you they don't trap. They
>>generally have 3 in on the forecheck .. pretty hard to trap there. Then
>>they back check like hell which accounts for the defensive
>>accountability that the poster earlier referred to. The Wings, one of
>>the highest scoring teams in the league, prefer the left wing lock as
>>soon as they get a lead .. yep, they play boring hockey.
>
>
> You're an idiot. Watch those Flames games again- they send in only ONE
> man while the other 4 wait in the neutral zone looking to put pressure on
> anyone attempting to break out of their own zone. If a turnover is caused
> before the opposing team gets to the blue-line, then the Flames send in more
> than one player on the counter-attack. That is the trap. You dare to
> accuse the WINGS of being the only team in that series that played boring
> hockey? You know what- I think I insulted idiots everywhere with my first
> line.
>
>
>> As for the Oil and the playoffs, unfortunately no. If they hadn't been so
>
> far out and
>
>>in "playoff" mode when everyone else was not, they would not have been
>>able to turn it on for that long of a stretch. So in conclusion, I
>>think we all realize that it's YOU that needs to get a clue, umm ok?
>
>
> LOL, so why were they so "far out", smart guy? I'll wait right here while
> you give me some specific reasons rather than a generalization.
>
>
>>Gawd I hate wannabes.
>
>
> I love morons like you- you give me something to do in the off-season.
>
> Ragnarok73
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 3:16 pm
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"sidius" <sidius.TakeThisOut@telus.net> wrote in message
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> Ragnarok...I watched part of the game tonight...yeah Sharks!...your
> description below is exactly right...that's how the Lames play, plus
> they were trying to run Nabokov all night and were continually getting
> away with interfering with him. Then the usual Lames goonery at the
> end...gawd I hate that team!
>
> Ragnarok73 wrote:
> > "Oily" <me.TakeThisOut@there.net> wrote in message
> > news:060520042358320089%me@there.net...
> >
> >>Do you even know what the NZT is? If you do, please describe its
> >>variations for us. I imagine this request will be an impossibility for
> >>you since you really don't know what the trap is. Having watched the
> >>Flames almost as much as the Oil, I'll tell you they don't trap. They
> >>generally have 3 in on the forecheck .. pretty hard to trap there. Then
> >>they back check like hell which accounts for the defensive
> >>accountability that the poster earlier referred to. The Wings, one of
> >>the highest scoring teams in the league, prefer the left wing lock as
> >>soon as they get a lead .. yep, they play boring hockey.
> >
> >
> > You're an idiot. Watch those Flames games again- they send in only
ONE
> > man while the other 4 wait in the neutral zone looking to put pressure
on
> > anyone attempting to break out of their own zone. If a turnover is
caused
> > before the opposing team gets to the blue-line, then the Flames send in
more
> > than one player on the counter-attack. That is the trap. You dare to
> > accuse the WINGS of being the only team in that series that played
boring
> > hockey? You know what- I think I insulted idiots everywhere with my
first
> > line.
> >
> >
> >> As for the Oil and the playoffs, unfortunately no. If they hadn't been
so
> >
> > far out and
> >
> >>in "playoff" mode when everyone else was not, they would not have been
> >>able to turn it on for that long of a stretch. So in conclusion, I
> >>think we all realize that it's YOU that needs to get a clue, umm ok?
> >
> >
> > LOL, so why were they so "far out", smart guy? I'll wait right here
while
> > you give me some specific reasons rather than a generalization.
> >
> >
> >>Gawd I hate wannabes.
> >
> >
> > I love morons like you- you give me something to do in the
off-season.
> >
> > Ragnarok73


Calgary could be a one year wonder but a lot of it will depend on whether
Kipper is the real deal and whether Jerome becomes to expensive for the
Flames to keep. It's been a slow build for the Flames but they are finally
reaping the rewards of the slow build. All I'm saying with my initial post
is that we can take some elements of Calgary's game to be able to improve
ours and the majority of that comes from solid defensive play. When Calgary
has had a two goal lead this year it's lights out but with us no lead is
safe. We've been bemoaning our atrocious specialty team play for years now
and year after year it seems to get even worse, this year being rock bottom.
Even marginal improvements in these two areas could account for 5-10 extra
points in the standings. We had at least a half dozen games this year where
be blew 2 or more goal leads and late third period leads. Winning those
games turns us from a non-playoff team to challenging for a division title.
No doubt we had are share of problems this year with injuries, the whole
Comrie fiasco and Salo's poor play but somehow the team still battled and
came within a whisker of making the playoffs. The ingredients are here for
success but the organizations mind set needs to improve the overall work
ethic of the guys on the team. It's all about mentality and the choice to
play 60 full minutes. Daryl brought that concept to Calgary and the Oiler
fans myself included can admire what Calgary is doing but I'm also left
saying why not us?


Mario
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:26 am
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"Mario and Carole" <vanhalenmcs DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Calgary could be a one year wonder but a lot of it will depend on whether
> Kipper is the real deal and whether Jerome becomes to expensive for the
> Flames to keep. It's been a slow build for the Flames but they are finally
> reaping the rewards of the slow build. All I'm saying with my initial post
> is that we can take some elements of Calgary's game to be able to improve
> ours and the majority of that comes from solid defensive play.

There's no doubt that Iginla will become too expensive for the Flames to
keep under the current economic structure- all a team like the Wings has to
do is offer him another 2 or 3 million and he's too expensive for the Flames
to keep. The Flames did not have some 5-year-plan in place; they simply got
better with a better coach as well as a hot goalie (although whether he'll
continue to be as good year in and year out remains to be seen). The Oilers
have shown that they are capable of being responsible defensively under
MacT- he's been the best coach in the history of the team IMO as far as
that's concerned. The only problem is that without depth in the lineup,
there's not a whole lot the team can do as long they play with their current
style of hockey. The Oilers more than any team in the league aside from the
downtrodden Penguins and Sabres need for the economic imbalance in the
league to be addressed before they can ever hope to get as far as the Flames
did this year.

>When Calgary
> has had a two goal lead this year it's lights out but with us no lead is
> safe. We've been bemoaning our atrocious specialty team play for years now
> and year after year it seems to get even worse, this year being rock
bottom.

I'm not arguing that the special teams got worse, but I think it's more a
matter of the team being hurt by departures of proven talent in those areas.
When you lose talent, you lose depth- when you lose depth, then even 1 or 2
injuries can more seriously hurt your team.

> Even marginal improvements in these two areas could account for 5-10 extra
> points in the standings. We had at least a half dozen games this year
where
> be blew 2 or more goal leads and late third period leads. Winning those
> games turns us from a non-playoff team to challenging for a division
title.
> No doubt we had are share of problems this year with injuries, the whole
> Comrie fiasco and Salo's poor play but somehow the team still battled and
> came within a whisker of making the playoffs. The ingredients are here for
> success but the organizations mind set needs to improve the overall work
> ethic of the guys on the team. It's all about mentality and the choice to
> play 60 full minutes. Daryl brought that concept to Calgary and the Oiler
> fans myself included can admire what Calgary is doing but I'm also left
> saying why not us?

MacT managed to get a very good season out of a goaltender that everyone
knows has done nothing since then. I think that as long as he doesn't have
to deal with losing more and more veteran talent every year, MacT is a good
enough coach to keep the Oilers competitive and solid defensively every
season. Like I said before, I don't think it's fair to judge a man who has
to play with one arm tied behind his back almost every year. Sure, the
Flames did better, but they also spent more on their roster than the Oilers
did. Yes, it's only about 4-5 million more than the Oilers had, but let's
imagine that the Oilers had that extra money and were able to sign a guy
like Nedved at the START of the last season rather than near the trade
deadline when it was almost too late...

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