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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:23 am
Post subject: Messier
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Im quite puzzled why this guy gets so much promo about his leadership
qualities.He hung around too long,maybe 5-6 years and to me he is a self
promoter about his leadership skills.From what I remember he took the
captaincy away from Linden in Vancouver and split the dressing room apart
there. Bourque wouldnt take the "C" from Sakic. Plus all this dumbass
monthly leadership award from cold-fx,seems to me players are embarrarased
to take it.
To me real leaders are guys like Sakic,Bourque, Yzerman who dont seek out
the acclaim but fully deserve it. Messier is a self promoter |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Messier [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jan 23, 4:23 am, "busher" <d....RemoveThis@telus.net> wrote:
> Im quite puzzled why this guy gets so much promo about his leadership
> qualities.He hung around too long,maybe 5-6 years and to me he is a self
> promoter about his leadership skills.From what I remember he took the
> captaincy away from Linden in Vancouver and split the dressing room apart
> there. Bourque wouldnt take the "C" from Sakic. Plus all this dumbass
> monthly leadership award from cold-fx,seems to me players are embarrarased
> to take it.
>
> To me real leaders are guys like Sakic,Bourque, Yzerman who dont seek out
> the acclaim but fully deserve it. Messier is a self promoter
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:52 pm
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"busher" <ddb77 DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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> Im quite puzzled why this guy gets so much promo about his leadership
> qualities.He hung around too long,maybe 5-6 years and to me he is a self
> promoter about his leadership skills.From what I remember he took the
> captaincy away from Linden in Vancouver and split the dressing room apart
> there. Bourque wouldnt take the "C" from Sakic. Plus all this dumbass
> monthly leadership award from cold-fx,seems to me players are embarrarased
> to take it.
>
> To me real leaders are guys like Sakic,Bourque, Yzerman who dont seek out
> the acclaim but fully deserve it. Messier is a self promoter
i wonder how messier would have fared in a steroid test.
he has the big round muscles and jutting lower jaw one associates with
usage. >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:42 am
Post subject: Re: Messier [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Rich Reitman <rreitman.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
>> You guys are victims of NHL hype. The teams name their best players
>> the captains, and then they spew out hype why these guys are the
>> Leafers. They aren't. The best players are simply the most
>> marketable players.
>>
>> Of course, Mark Messier, as the "leader", was the biggest fraud of
>> them all. Gretzky led the Oilers. There is no disputing that.
> Don't you contradict yourself?
No. It's not necessarily the case that the best player is not the
best leader. In Gretzky's case, he was the leader. In Bobby
Clarke's case, he was both the team's best player and their leader.
In the case of Orr, Howe, LaFleur, and others, who were never team
captains, they were not leaders. But if Orr and Howe played now,
they would be named team Captains simply because they were the best
players.
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:42 am
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<rm.RemoveThis@biteme.org> wrote in message
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> Rich Reitman <rreitman.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
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> >> You guys are victims of NHL hype. The teams name their best players
> >> the captains, and then they spew out hype why these guys are the
> >> Leafers. They aren't. The best players are simply the most
> >> marketable players.
> >>
> >> Of course, Mark Messier, as the "leader", was the biggest fraud of
> >> them all. Gretzky led the Oilers. There is no disputing that.
>
> > Don't you contradict yourself?
>
> No. It's not necessarily the case that the best player is not the
> best leader. In Gretzky's case, he was the leader. In Bobby
> Clarke's case, he was both the team's best player and their leader.
> In the case of Orr, Howe, LaFleur, and others, who were never team
> captains, they were not leaders. But if Orr and Howe played now,
> they would be named team Captains simply because they were the best
> players.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
dave schultz was the leader on the flyers. he might not have been a great or
even good player but he breathed fire, when he left they stopped winning >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:48 am
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"busher" <ddb77 RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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> Im quite puzzled why this guy gets so much promo about his leadership
> qualities.He hung around too long,maybe 5-6 years and to me he is a self
> promoter about his leadership skills.From what I remember he took the
> captaincy away from Linden in Vancouver and split the dressing room apart
> there. Bourque wouldnt take the "C" from Sakic. Plus all this dumbass
> monthly leadership award from cold-fx,seems to me players are embarrarased
> to take it.
>
> To me real leaders are guys like Sakic,Bourque, Yzerman who dont seek out
> the acclaim but fully deserve it. Messier is a self promoter
>
>
For a fun time go into alt.sports.hockey.nhl.vanc-canucks and make a post
lauding Messier as a great leader. >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:02 am
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Ray O'Hara <roh.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "busher" <ddb77.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote in message
>> To me real leaders are guys like Sakic,Bourque, Yzerman who dont
>> seek out the acclaim but fully deserve it. Messier is a self
>> promoter
> i wonder how messier would have fared in a steroid test. he has
> the big round muscles and jutting lower jaw one associates with
> usage.
Don't know anything about his muscles, but that jaw of his denotes
stupidity and nothing else, to us.
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:04 am
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Ray O'Hara <roh DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> dave schultz was the leader on the flyers. he might not have been a great or
> even good player but he breathed fire, when he left they stopped winning
You're right that he was one of the leaders. Along the same vein,
the leader on those Sittler/McDonald/Salming Leaf teams was Tiger
Williams. Williams, himself, used to enforce curfews during the
playoffs.
cordially, as always,
rm >> Stay informed about: Messier |
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