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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:27 pm
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http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=58013852-f30b-47c5-
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" Canucks first-round draft pick is Cody Hodgson
Jason Botchford, The Province
Published: Friday, June 20, 2008
OTTAWA -- After failing in their attempt to land LA Kings forward Michael
Cammalleri, the Canucks took a safe pick with the 10th overall pick in
the NHL entry draft.
The Canucks offered the Kings their first round pick but demanded more in
return than just Cammelleri.
When the deal fell through, the Canucks, who weren't interested in Olli
Jokinen and thought the asking price for RJ Umberger was too high,
drafted five-foot-10 Brampton forward Cody Hodgson.
GM Mike Gillis said Hodgson is a natural leader who scored impressed the
Canucks sport psychologist.
"His ability, leadership and character were off the charts," Gillis said.
Gillis said he wasn't sure Hodgson would fall to No. 10. The Canucks had
Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna forward Kyle Beach, who
the Canucks would have likely taken if Hodgson wasn't still on the board.
The trade with the Kings was the only deal the Canucks were close to
making.
The Canucks don't expect to make any significant deals on Saturday, Day 2
of the draft.
© The Vancouver Province 2008 "
Allow me to highlight, then...
- "... the Canucks, who weren't interested in Olli Jokinen..."
- "His ability, leadership and character were off the charts"
- "The Canucks had Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna
forward Kyle Beach... "
- "The Canucks don't expect to make any significant deals on Saturday..."
I really hope the kid pans out, but right now I feel like opening the
door widw and yelling "KILL ME!!!" (and I live in Fernwood) |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:27 pm
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On Jun 20, 5:27 pm, Victor Wainer <alioschais... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> "Gillis said he wasn't sure Hodgson would fall to No. 10. The Canucks had
> Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna forward Kyle Beach, who
> the Canucks would have likely taken if Hodgson wasn't still on the board."
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> I really hope the kid pans out, but right now I feel like opening the
> door widw and yelling "KILL ME!!!" (and I live in Fernwood)
I don't get it. It's not like Stamkos was still available at 10 and
they took Hodgson. Cripes, the kid has done nothing but score and the
Canucks need scoring.
Everybody hates Cooke's game and many of you want to draft Claude
Lemieux II?? Not just want but demand? Think maybe there was a reason
the under-18s didn't want to touch him? People bitch about all the
psychological mumbo jumbo at the combine, but have your favorite say
the right things and gorilla boy becomes Linden? I'm delighted the
Canucks passed on Beach.
a)there are not a lot of draftees going to make the NHL next year,
despite McGuire/McKenzie's
blathering-Beach included
b)do the words "Brett Lindros" and "concussions" mean nothing to the
Beach fans?
As for Tambellini stepping up to make the pick; he started by
extending the teams sympathy to the Bourdon family. Much more
appropriate than new guy Gillis doing it. What's the problem?
If anything, I was disappointed the Canucks didn't trade a bit. And
I will be pissed if the Canucks trade Bieksa.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:41 am
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Honestly, would anyone here really care that much about Beach if he
wasn't from Kelowna?
Chicago were the perfect team to pick Beach, they already have a very
solid core of young players, somewhat like Pittsburgh, so taking Beach
isn't as much of a risk, he compliments them and gives them some piss
and vinegar. Good for them.
Disappointed we didn't get Cammaleri, because he was totally worth the
pick straight up (although with the new CBA would he be UFA eligible
in a couple of years? If so then I can see why, although you'd think
Cammi would love playing in Vancouver and re-sign, and it sucks he
went to Calgary) I love the Hogson pick, he looks like a really great
player, but he's not going to help us right now. >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:59 am
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"Dave Logan" <dlogan_terroco DeleteThis @yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> If anything, I was disappointed the Canucks didn't trade a bit. And
> I will be pissed if the Canucks trade Bieksa.
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> DAve
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"The team did talk to the Panthers, who called Gillis regarding Jokinen, but
Vancouver had little interest in the big centre because of perceived
character issues."
I was disappointed they didn't land Jokinen but surprised they weren't even
innerested. What are these so-called "character issues?" - the fact that he
didn't get along with Jacques Martin? Isn't that a positive? >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:36 am
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Victor Wainer wrote:
> http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=58013852-f30b-47c5-
> 9d01-8a9e5f4afe7b
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> " Canucks first-round draft pick is Cody Hodgson
>
> Jason Botchford, The Province
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> Published: Friday, June 20, 2008
>
> OTTAWA -- After failing in their attempt to land LA Kings forward Michael
> Cammalleri, the Canucks took a safe pick with the 10th overall pick in
> the NHL entry draft.
>
> The Canucks offered the Kings their first round pick but demanded more in
> return than just Cammelleri.
>
> When the deal fell through, the Canucks, who weren't interested in Olli
> Jokinen and thought the asking price for RJ Umberger was too high,
> drafted five-foot-10 Brampton forward Cody Hodgson.
>
> GM Mike Gillis said Hodgson is a natural leader who scored impressed the
> Canucks sport psychologist.
>
> "His ability, leadership and character were off the charts," Gillis said.
>
> Gillis said he wasn't sure Hodgson would fall to No. 10. The Canucks had
> Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna forward Kyle Beach, who
> the Canucks would have likely taken if Hodgson wasn't still on the board.
>
> The trade with the Kings was the only deal the Canucks were close to
> making.
>
> The Canucks don't expect to make any significant deals on Saturday, Day 2
> of the draft.
>
> © The Vancouver Province 2008 "
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>
> Allow me to highlight, then...
>
> - "... the Canucks, who weren't interested in Olli Jokinen..."
> - "His ability, leadership and character were off the charts"
> - "The Canucks had Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna
> forward Kyle Beach... "
> - "The Canucks don't expect to make any significant deals on Saturday..."
>
> I really hope the kid pans out, but right now I feel like opening the
> door widw and yelling "KILL ME!!!" (and I live in Fernwood)
There really is a Fernwood? >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:36 am
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"Dutch" <no RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message
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>> I really hope the kid pans out, but right now I feel like opening the
>> door widw and yelling "KILL ME!!!" (and I live in Fernwood)
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> There really is a Fernwood?
Yeah, I think Martin Mull did a show from there. >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:43 am
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rorytait wrote:
> Honestly, would anyone here really care that much about Beach if he
> wasn't from Kelowna?
>
> Chicago were the perfect team to pick Beach, they already have a very
> solid core of young players, somewhat like Pittsburgh, so taking Beach
> isn't as much of a risk, he compliments them and gives them some piss
> and vinegar. Good for them.
>
> Disappointed we didn't get Cammaleri, because he was totally worth the
> pick straight up (although with the new CBA would he be UFA eligible
> in a couple of years?
One year I believe.
If so then I can see why, although you'd think
> Cammi would love playing in Vancouver and re-sign, and it sucks he
> went to Calgary) I love the Hogson pick, he looks like a really great
> player, but he's not going to help us right now. >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:13 pm
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In article <Xns9AC3D1B09F110volavola.TakeThisOut@66.250.146.198>,
Victor Wainer <alioschaisnot.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Allow me to highlight, then...
>
>- "... the Canucks, who weren't interested in Olli Jokinen..."
>- "His ability, leadership and character were off the charts"
>- "The Canucks had Hodgson ranked higher than controversial Kelowna
>forward Kyle Beach... "
>- "The Canucks don't expect to make any significant deals on Saturday..."
>
>I really hope the kid pans out, but right now I feel like opening the
>door widw and yelling "KILL ME!!!" (and I live in Fernwood)
I'll do it if you promise to shoot me at the same time.
GM Mike Gillis said Hodgson is a natural leader who scored impressed the
Canucks sport psychologist.
So here we have it in a nut shell. Gillis new head of scouting is the sports
psychologist.
It's a great move because he comes with a built in excuse for Gillis. Everyone
he passes on in drafting or trades---unfortunately there were issues with his
ICK. Everyone he does draft or trade for who doesn't set the world on fire--
he had the best ICK and it was prudent to go with him than the low ICK guys.
No need to justify taking or not taking a player based upon such a silly and
archaic basis as skill, size, and talent. Nope, responses to the CPI are all
Mr. B needs.
I'm sick over this draft. Despite Mr. Bold's bullshit pronouncements about
how he's going to change the way the Canucks approched the draft in the
past, it's exactly the same as last year, nothing has changed. Safe pick--
little risk, little reward.
All scouting reports and pre-draft commentary agreed, Beach is unique. No
other player in the draft brought the complete package to the table as he did.
Big, strong, skilled with a mean streak. Any perceived ' issues ' are bullshit
afaic. I'll take the words of his past coaches over any other sources, and
they both said he was a dream to coach.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:29 pm
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:13:34 GMT, bombelly DeleteThis @sulet.ten (foamy) wrote:
> I'll take the words of his past coaches over any other sources, and
>they both said he was a dream to coach.
"He's a special young man and he had a lot to do with our success.
I've had a lot of guys a lot older than him who don't conduct
themselves like he does. We played him against the other teams' top
lines and he didn't leave us short in any area."
Pat Quinn when asked about Cody Hodgson >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:35 pm
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In article <485cec35$0$25195$c3e8da3@news.
astraweb.com>, "db" <db DeleteThis @hdtv.com> wrote:
>"The team did talk to the Panthers, who called Gillis regarding Jokinen, but
>Vancouver had little interest in the big centre because of perceived
>character issues."
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>I was disappointed they didn't land Jokinen but surprised they weren't even
>innerested. What are these so-called "character issues?" - the fact that he
>didn't get along with Jacques Martin? Isn't that a positive?
As I read you post, I thought the first paragraph was a joke making fun of
Gillis not taking Beach. When I realized you weren't joking, I was stunned.
It's not like Jokinen is facing drunk driving charges like his latest front
office hiring is it ? Selective ICK ?
I think ' perceived character issues ' is going to be used as his
trademark excuse when he fails to land or pursue available players,
akin to Nonis explaining his failures away by saying the deal didn't
make sense.
Phony self-serving pronouncements designed to remove them from the
equation and immunize themselves from criticism. Hey, it's not my fault
we learned the guy is a nut job, or hey, they wanted such a ridiculous
amount in return none of you would have done the deal either.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:21 pm
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"JD" <me.DeleteThis@home.now> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:13:34 GMT, bombelly.DeleteThis@sulet.ten (foamy) wrote:
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>> I'll take the words of his past coaches over any other sources, and
>>they both said he was a dream to coach.
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> "He's a special young man and he had a lot to do with our success.
> I've had a lot of guys a lot older than him who don't conduct
> themselves like he does. We played him against the other teams' top
> lines and he didn't leave us short in any area."
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> Pat Quinn when asked about Cody Hodgson
Perceived issues could also refer to the Lindros Concussion Syndrome thing. >> Stay informed about: Province article |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:21 pm
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In article <pfe7k.19282$kx.6547@pd7urf3no>,
"Floats in Water" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> Pat Quinn when asked about Cody Hodgson
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>Perceived issues could also refer to the Lindros Concussion Syndrome thing.
That would be singular and not perceived but factual.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:35 pm
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"foamy" <bombelly.DeleteThis@sulet.ten> wrote in message
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> In article <pfe7k.19282$kx.6547@pd7urf3no>,
> "Floats in Water" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.ca> wrote:
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>>> Pat Quinn when asked about Cody Hodgson
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>>Perceived issues could also refer to the Lindros Concussion Syndrome
>>thing.
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> That would be singular and not perceived but factual.
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> Jim
Possibly not...there's been more than one concussion perceived by Canucks'
scouting, for instance, and Nonis...err, the new guy might just be not
sharing info, which is smart.
I actually like the idea of the psych guy influencing the draft. At the
highest level, mental toughness and smarts is just as likely to push someone
over the top as diet, roids, and genetics is.
At least he's sticking to his outside the box thing.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:19 pm
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In article <1bv7k.21157$kx.13060@pd7urf3no>,
"Floats in Water" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.ca> wrote:
>I actually like the idea of the psych guy influencing the draft. At the
>highest level, mental toughness and smarts is just as likely to push someone
>over the top as diet, roids, and genetics is.
I'm not against collecting as much information as possible on any player,
shrink stuff included. The problem I see is Gillis appears to have tunnel
vision and is locked on to ICK and is placing emphasis on it disproportionate
to it's predictive value. It's unlikely he would have taken Smyl, Hedican,
Jovo, to name 3 dumb guys who immediately come to mind, and they have
had lengthy [ 2700+ games ] and productive careers.
If two players are equal, sure go with the higher ICK. If one player is a
better player, and is what the team has been searching for it's whole
history but has a lower ICK than the other player, I'd go with lower ICK
but better player. Gillis thinks ICK is more important. That's disappointing
to me.
>At least he's sticking to his outside the box thing.
Like 4'9" 103 lb goalies with a 5.27 gaa ? :-)
I don't think he thought outside the box so far with respect to players.
Hodgson is exactly the safe pick Nonis would have made and has been
so frustrating to Canuck fans for eons.
It's still early in the process though, many more disappointments to come. <g>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:04 pm
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"foamy" wrote in message
> In article "Floats in Water" wrote:
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>>At least he's sticking to his outside the box thing.
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> Like 4'9" 103 lb goalies with a 5.27 gaa ? :-)
Thought process:
We're gonna lose the best goalie in the game because our team sucks and he
wants to win...wait, what, he wants to have this goalie coach play full
time?!? Well, hell, let's draft his son with out 7th rounder. Maybe he'll
go full time, and Loungo will be more likely to re-sign rather than resign.
He's trying to throw the hard 7 (sudb). I'd say it's a good gamble (not
Troy).
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