Ryder to Bruins

"Gerry" <gerry14.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I wasn't that surprised to see Streit break $4M, but for Ryder to get
> it... wow! After his season, I'm surprised the bidding war went that
> high. It has to have helped him that he had Julien in his corner on
> one end and the Ribeiro connection on the other, that seems to have
> really helped him strike it rich. And to me, with a team investing
> that much in him, it's only going to help him come back strong. He'll
> get the icetime. He'll get the PP spot. He'll burn us. And he might
> even be worth the $4M per for them. It's just strange to me that they
> had to pay that much to get him.
>
> l8r,
> Gerry
>
>

Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again, Theo
got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.
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On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth....DeleteThis@something.ca> wrote:

> Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
> someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again, Theo
> got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.

They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
of those goals are going to come against us.

Of course, now that he's an arch-enemy Bruin, maybe I should try to
mask my enthusiasm and start applying a proper level of disrespect
instead. :) He was a good player for the B's to sign, they needed a
scorer. It's just a bit mind-boggling that this marketplace forced
them to pay maybe $1M more than logic says they ought to have. At the
end of the day, $1M is probably peanuts, so long as Ryder does indeed
live up to his billing for them. Let's hope he doesn't. Boo
Ryder! :)

l8r,
Gerry
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"Gerry" <gerry14 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth... DeleteThis @something.ca> wrote:

> Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
> someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again,
> Theo
> got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.

They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
of those goals are going to come against us.

Of course, now that he's an arch-enemy Bruin, maybe I should try to
mask my enthusiasm and start applying a proper level of disrespect
instead. :) He was a good player for the B's to sign, they needed a
scorer. It's just a bit mind-boggling that this marketplace forced
them to pay maybe $1M more than logic says they ought to have. At the
end of the day, $1M is probably peanuts, so long as Ryder does indeed
live up to his billing for them. Let's hope he doesn't. Boo
Ryder! :)

l8r,
Gerry

At least you guys can't offer him straight up in goofy trade scenarios
anymore. ; )

Tunnel.
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In article <IqCak.46134$kx.44411@pd7urf3no>,
switch625 <something.RemoveThis@something.ca> wrote:
>
>"Gerry" <gerry14.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>I wasn't that surprised to see Streit break $4M, but for Ryder to get
>> it... wow! After his season, I'm surprised the bidding war went that
>> high. It has to have helped him that he had Julien in his corner on
>> one end and the Ribeiro connection on the other, that seems to have
>> really helped him strike it rich. And to me, with a team investing
>> that much in him, it's only going to help him come back strong. He'll
>> get the icetime. He'll get the PP spot. He'll burn us. And he might
>> even be worth the $4M per for them. It's just strange to me that they
>> had to pay that much to get him.
>>
>Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
>someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again, Theo
>got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.

Well, to be fair, I believe that under the right circumstances, Ryder
is a 30-35 goals a season player. The problem is that he needs a good
center and a lot of minutes to achieve that and does it with the lack
of extra dimensions to his play but still, 35 goals a season winger
are not that common (and that is what his agent would have portayed
him as and what the Bruins have signed him for).

Yan
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"Gerry" <gerry14.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth....RemoveThis@something.ca> wrote:

> Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
> someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again,
> Theo
> got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.

They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
of those goals are going to come against us.

Of course, now that he's an arch-enemy Bruin, maybe I should try to
mask my enthusiasm and start applying a proper level of disrespect
instead. :) He was a good player for the B's to sign, they needed a
scorer. It's just a bit mind-boggling that this marketplace forced
them to pay maybe $1M more than logic says they ought to have. At the
end of the day, $1M is probably peanuts, so long as Ryder does indeed
live up to his billing for them. Let's hope he doesn't. Boo
Ryder! :)

l8r,
Gerry

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I read somewhere this morning that the Bruins had to up their offer after
they found out there were 2 other teams with strong bids! I expected him to
fetch 3 year for 9-10 million, which sounds like what the B's were offering.

Hopefully not too many of his goals come against us.
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On Jul 2, 3:21 pm, Marty <martytest2... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a question. If he suddenly a 30-35 goal man again, why couldn't we
> dump him at the deadline? A few months ago he was a bum that we couldn't
> give away. Now he's given the same contract you'd expect if he put up his
> typical 30 goals while not gaining any other accolades.

I don't think we were even trying to dump him at the deadline? Where
did you hear that we were? At a certain point in the season there was
some talk of trading him for Tanguay. That's about all I can recall.

> I also wouldm't chalk Ryder up to an automatic rebound to 30-goal
> performance.

Nothing's automatic. But I'm optimistic.... no wait, that has to be
re-phrased as pessimistic now... that he'll bounce back to 30.
Perhaps beyond.

l8r,
Gerry
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On Jul 1, 11:04 pm, PR <pd....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 3 years, 12 million. See ya Mike.

I just want to say good for Ryder. He's a good guy, and he'll bounce
back. Last year was just weird; contrary to popular belief, I feel he
was afforded ample opportunity in the first half to turn things
around, but he was snakebitten. He'll get all the ice he needs and
he'll play with Savard, so look for him to hit 30-35 goals easy.

Obviously, he didn't fit into Gainey's long-term plans. I do not look
forward to getting Leclaired by this guy for the next four years
though!

Bill
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Gerry <gerry14.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth....RemoveThis@something.ca> wrote:
>
>> Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot
>> believe someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists.
>> Then again, Th
> eo
>> got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.
>
> They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
> playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
> have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
> that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
> of those goals are going to come against us.
>


Here's a question. If he suddenly a 30-35 goal man again, why couldn't we
dump him at the deadline? A few months ago he was a bum that we couldn't
give away. Now he's given the same contract you'd expect if he put up his
typical 30 goals while not gaining any other accolades.

The point I'm making is how perspectives change. Last season I don't think
anyone was pursuing him for a trade. Yet we find out now 3 team were
willing to give him a good chunk of cap space on a not insignificant term.
Seems to me at this time of year everyone is looking at the players upside
and paying them accordingly, and noe are looking at the possibile downside
or the ramifications.

I also wouldm't chalk Ryder up to an automatic rebound to 30-goal
performance. We've seen a few one-dimensional goal scorer types who flamed
out quickly. Heck, I'll give you two Hab examples right off the top of my
head. Brian Savage and Richard Zednik.
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"Tunnel ©" <rat.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in news:g4ft8r$g7e$1@news.datemas.de:

> At least you guys can't offer him straight up in goofy trade scenarios
> anymore. ; )
>

He got paid like a 30 goal scorer. Makes you wonder why our some scenarios
were so goofy. Apparently, he was a bargin last season. :p
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Bill <magizzle DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:43ce3560-8b39-4a4e-94ec-
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> On Jul 1, 11:04 pm, PR <pd... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 3 years, 12 million. See ya Mike.
>
> I just want to say good for Ryder. He's a good guy, and he'll bounce
> back. Last year was just weird; contrary to popular belief, I feel he
> was afforded ample opportunity in the first half to turn things
> around, but he was snakebitten. He'll get all the ice he needs and
> he'll play with Savard, so look for him to hit 30-35 goals easy.
>
> Obviously, he didn't fit into Gainey's long-term plans. I do not look
> forward to getting Leclaired by this guy for the next four years
> though!
>
> Bill
>

He might score 2 goals in a game, and the line we match against his will
score 3 or 4. Just remember that part when it happens.

Until last season though, he gave us some good moments, and his rookie
season and the season the Habs had that year was a really nice surprise
that wasn't exceeded until this season.

Marty
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"Tunnel ©" <rat RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Gerry" <gerry14 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth... RemoveThis @something.ca> wrote:
>
> > Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot believe
> > someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again,
> > Theo
> > got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.
>
> They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
> playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
> have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
> that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
> of those goals are going to come against us.
>
> Of course, now that he's an arch-enemy Bruin, maybe I should try to
> mask my enthusiasm and start applying a proper level of disrespect
> instead. :) He was a good player for the B's to sign, they needed a
> scorer. It's just a bit mind-boggling that this marketplace forced
> them to pay maybe $1M more than logic says they ought to have. At the
> end of the day, $1M is probably peanuts, so long as Ryder does indeed
> live up to his billing for them. Let's hope he doesn't. Boo
> Ryder! :)
>
> l8r,
> Gerry
>
> At least you guys can't offer him straight up in goofy trade scenarios
> anymore. ; )
>
> Tunnel.
>
>

I think the Bruins were doing a sign-and trade, I bet hey're gonna flip him
to Philly for Crosby and Staal...

(Yes we can, Tunnel!!!!)

Steve
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"Preacher" <sdean53NOSPAM.RemoveThis@NOSPAMcogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> "Tunnel ©" <rat.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Gerry" <gerry14.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jul 1, 11:16 pm, "switch625" <someth....RemoveThis@something.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > Very optimistic, but at I highly doubt "He'll burn us." I cannot
>> > believe
>> > someone would actually pay $4M for 14 goals and 17 assists. Then again,
>> > Theo
>> > got $4.5M and I can easily see him tanking again.
>>
>> They're not paying $4M for 14 goals. They're paying for 30 goals+
>> playing with Savard and getting top-6 icetime again. I don't really
>> have any doubt that he'll get there. He played well enough for us
>> that I'm ready to be optimistic. And since we play them 8 times, some
>> of those goals are going to come against us.
>>
>> Of course, now that he's an arch-enemy Bruin, maybe I should try to
>> mask my enthusiasm and start applying a proper level of disrespect
>> instead. :) He was a good player for the B's to sign, they needed a
>> scorer. It's just a bit mind-boggling that this marketplace forced
>> them to pay maybe $1M more than logic says they ought to have. At the
>> end of the day, $1M is probably peanuts, so long as Ryder does indeed
>> live up to his billing for them. Let's hope he doesn't. Boo
>> Ryder! :)
>>
>> l8r,
>> Gerry
>>
>> At least you guys can't offer him straight up in goofy trade scenarios
>> anymore. ; )
>>
>> Tunnel.
>>
>>
>
> I think the Bruins were doing a sign-and trade, I bet hey're gonna flip
> him
> to Philly for Crosby and Staal...
>
> (Yes we can, Tunnel!!!!)
>
> Steve
>
>

That should of course read Pittsburgh, not Philly......

Steve
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In article <Xns9ACFA661C5554martytest2004hotmail.RemoveThis@127.0.0.1>,
Marty <martytest2004.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Here's a question. If he suddenly a 30-35 goal man again, why couldn't we
>dump him at the deadline? A few months ago he was a bum that we couldn't
>give away. Now he's given the same contract you'd expect if he put up his
>typical 30 goals while not gaining any other accolades.
>
>The point I'm making is how perspectives change. Last season I don't think
>anyone was pursuing him for a trade. Yet we find out now 3 team were
>willing to give him a good chunk of cap space on a not insignificant term.
>Seems to me at this time of year everyone is looking at the players upside
>and paying them accordingly, and noe are looking at the possibile downside
>or the ramifications.

At the trade deadline, the Habs could have been looking for:
1- Future potential in exchange of Ryder
2- Playoff help in exchange for Ryder.

Probably in that order. Teams like the Bruins were certainly not
looking at hiring a UFA for a playoff run at the expense of future
potential, nor did they have much that would have helped the Habs.
Not sure who else was on the market but I see very few team thinking
that adding Ryder for say a 2nd rounder would have given them better
chances in the playoff. So they might as well have let 07-08 go, keep
the potential and wait for the summer to get Ryder.

Yan
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