Schenn is a Leaf - Foote is UFA

"Tunnel ©" <rat.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Should the buds make a pitch for UFA Adam Foote to tutor him along?

Be prepared to pay $4 million per year for that tuition.
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On Jun 22, 1:25 pm, "Tunnel ©" <r....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> Should the buds make a pitch for UFA Adam Foote to tutor him along?
>
> I am not talking about offering him a monstrous amount of money, but maybe
> a
> 2.5 million a season deal for 3 years and see if he bites. There might be
> an opening on the blueline, because it sounds to me that unless he accepts
> a
> trade, McCabe is going to spend most of his winter in the press box.
>
> Tunnel.

Tunnel,
Worst case scenario is that McCabe doesn't waive his
NTC.
You really think though that the team will allow him to sit in the PB?
I guess if they were trying to wage a war of nerves with him, that
might piss him off enough to move. An expensive way of doing it but it
might work. Although, to the pure athlete, it would make him/her crazy
I would guess.
These guys are also businessmen that listen to agents and such, not
like the good old days I figure.

Also, how many minutes a game do you guess the Leafs would get out of
Foote?

A good pick up in my opinion if the price is right.

______________________________

First off, there's no way McCabe is sitting in anyone's pressbox. Stop
listening to the mediots. He's worth 40-60 points a year on the ice.

Secondly, Foote wouldn't do anything for Schenn besides eat up his minutes.
Let Wilson mentor Schenn, IMO.

You want to spend money on free agents, make it Hossa. He'd be more helpful
to the Leafs defensive game that Foote ever could be, because it's guys like
Steen and Tlusty that need the mentoring.
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On Jun 22, 4:12 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> First off, there's no way McCabe is sitting in anyone's pressbox.  Stop
> listening to the mediots.  He's worth 40-60 points a year on the ice.

McCabe withered under the nonsense PMaurice put him through (bumped
his spot to Kubina, moved him to the Left Side, just treated him like
a lab rat).

> Secondly, Foote wouldn't do anything for Schenn besides eat up his minutes.
> Let Wilson mentor Schenn, IMO.

Foote would do nothing for the D. He's yesterday's child.

> You want to spend money on free agents, make it Hossa.  He'd be more helpful
> to the Leafs defensive game that Foote ever could be, because it's guys like
> Steen and Tlusty that need the mentoring.

Hossa's a bad fit for the Toronto situation. Unbelievable that he
didn't re-sign with Pittsburgh after the Pens proved to bring out his
post-season alter-ego. He said leaving Atlanta was frustration at no
post-season ... and now he shrugs it when it's there for the taking.

Leafs need C's. Sundin gone, Stajan could go, Wellwood lost at
sea ...
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"Ken" <ken.hoofhearted.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Poorboy" <TorontoFoodie.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 22, 1:25 pm, "Tunnel ©" <r....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Should the buds make a pitch for UFA Adam Foote to tutor him along?
>>
>> I am not talking about offering him a monstrous amount of money, but
>> maybe a
>> 2.5 million a season deal for 3 years and see if he bites. There might be
>> an opening on the blueline, because it sounds to me that unless he
>> accepts a
>> trade, McCabe is going to spend most of his winter in the press box.
>>
>> Tunnel.
>
> Tunnel,
> Worst case scenario is that McCabe doesn't waive his
> NTC.
> You really think though that the team will allow him to sit in the PB?
> I guess if they were trying to wage a war of nerves with him, that
> might piss him off enough to move. An expensive way of doing it but it
> might work. Although, to the pure athlete, it would make him/her crazy
> I would guess.
> These guys are also businessmen that listen to agents and such, not
> like the good old days I figure.
>
> Also, how many minutes a game do you guess the Leafs would get out of
> Foote?
>
> A good pick up in my opinion if the price is right.
>
> ______________________________
>
> First off, there's no way McCabe is sitting in anyone's pressbox. Stop
> listening to the mediots. He's worth 40-60 points a year on the ice.
>
> Secondly, Foote wouldn't do anything for Schenn besides eat up his
> minutes. Let Wilson mentor Schenn, IMO.
>
> You want to spend money on free agents, make it Hossa. He'd be more
> helpful to the Leafs defensive game that Foote ever could be, because it's
> guys like Steen and Tlusty that need the mentoring.
>

I wouldnt touch Marian Hossa with a 10 foot pole.
See my post in the Montreal newsgroup.

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens/brow...thread/

Tunnel.
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On Jun 22, 9:32 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Sundin gone?

Well, if you can join some dots passed the Leafs giving Mtl sole
negotiating rights before the July 1st deadline (btw, that includes
the Leafs staying out of it), and a 'next contract with the Leafs',
come awn downe!

For me, this is right up there with Lanny, Darryl, and Borje for
ending with a whimper. I'm in total awe of a situation where the guy
would have played to the better/bitter end in TO if the hillbillies
hadn't treated him like used luggage.
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"Tunnel ©" <rat.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Ken" <ken.hoofhearted.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Poorboy" <TorontoFoodie.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jun 22, 1:25 pm, "Tunnel ©" <r....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Should the buds make a pitch for UFA Adam Foote to tutor him along?
>>>
>>> I am not talking about offering him a monstrous amount of money, but
>>> maybe a
>>> 2.5 million a season deal for 3 years and see if he bites. There might
>>> be
>>> an opening on the blueline, because it sounds to me that unless he
>>> accepts a
>>> trade, McCabe is going to spend most of his winter in the press box.
>>>
>>> Tunnel.
>>
>> Tunnel,
>> Worst case scenario is that McCabe doesn't waive his
>> NTC.
>> You really think though that the team will allow him to sit in the PB?
>> I guess if they were trying to wage a war of nerves with him, that
>> might piss him off enough to move. An expensive way of doing it but it
>> might work. Although, to the pure athlete, it would make him/her crazy
>> I would guess.
>> These guys are also businessmen that listen to agents and such, not
>> like the good old days I figure.
>>
>> Also, how many minutes a game do you guess the Leafs would get out of
>> Foote?
>>
>> A good pick up in my opinion if the price is right.
>>
>> ______________________________
>>
>> First off, there's no way McCabe is sitting in anyone's pressbox. Stop
>> listening to the mediots. He's worth 40-60 points a year on the ice.
>>
>> Secondly, Foote wouldn't do anything for Schenn besides eat up his
>> minutes. Let Wilson mentor Schenn, IMO.
>>
>> You want to spend money on free agents, make it Hossa. He'd be more
>> helpful to the Leafs defensive game that Foote ever could be, because
>> it's guys like Steen and Tlusty that need the mentoring.
>>
>
> I wouldnt touch Marian Hossa with a 10 foot pole.
> See my post in the Montreal newsgroup.
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens/brow...thread/
>

I totally disagree with your take, other than he's not worth the typical UFA
asking price.

I watched Hossa eat Ottawa's company line for years, when the team was
threatening the fans to fold up. They publicly humiliated Hossa on two
contracts, then said squat when Hossa, Alfredsson, Redden and Phillips
deferred salary so the team could maintain operating expenses. The league
finally stepped in and used TV revenues to meet that payroll. Hossa took
less in Ottawa because Rod Bryden was operating on other people's money.

In Atlanta, he made it clear he wants to go to free agency. I don't see why
being traded to Pittsburgh should change that. It certainly doesn't make
him a mercenary. And, he certainly doesn't owe anything to either Atlanta
or Pittsburgh. He played his ass off for both teams.
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"owl" <churchsl.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 4:12 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> First off, there's no way McCabe is sitting in anyone's pressbox. Stop
> listening to the mediots. He's worth 40-60 points a year on the ice.

McCabe withered under the nonsense PMaurice put him through (bumped
his spot to Kubina, moved him to the Left Side, just treated him like
a lab rat).

> Secondly, Foote wouldn't do anything for Schenn besides eat up his
> minutes.
> Let Wilson mentor Schenn, IMO.

Foote would do nothing for the D. He's yesterday's child.

> You want to spend money on free agents, make it Hossa. He'd be more
> helpful
> to the Leafs defensive game that Foote ever could be, because it's guys
> like
> Steen and Tlusty that need the mentoring.

Hossa's a bad fit for the Toronto situation. Unbelievable that he
didn't re-sign with Pittsburgh after the Pens proved to bring out his
post-season alter-ego. He said leaving Atlanta was frustration at no
post-season ... and now he shrugs it when it's there for the taking.

Leafs need C's. Sundin gone, Stajan could go, Wellwood lost at
sea ...

__________

Is Sundin gone?
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I think Wilson needs to put Kaberle and McCabe back together and let them
do what they've proven they can do. Kubina's value is fairly high right now
so trade him for help up front or keep him and spread the minutes a little
more evenly between the first and second pairing.

Or trade Kaberle, Kubina, Antropov and anyone else with any value for picks
and let the team tank to increase the chance of getting Tavares.

--
Golan Klinger
Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.
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On Jun 22, 9:41 pm, owl <churc... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 9:32 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is Sundin gone?
>
> Well, if you can join some dots passed the Leafs giving Mtl sole
> negotiating rights before the July 1st deadline (btw, that includes
> the Leafs staying out of it), and a 'next contract with the Leafs',
> come awn downe!
>
> For me, this is right up there with Lanny, Darryl, and Borje for
> ending with a whimper.  I'm in total awe of a situation where the guy
> would have played to the better/bitter end in TO if the hillbillies
> hadn't treated him like used luggage.

So let's suppose for a minute you are a top o the line UFA, or a
burgeoning star and da Leafs make you an offer (don't dream it, feel
it) and you look back at how other marquee players have been treated
and we may as well toss in the circus act that is front office to
boot.
Do you sign?
Basketball gets it right most of the time, as do a few hockey clubs.
The athletes are well managed now and look at these things.

I actually feel bad for the whole Mats thing.

And some pinheads are going to boo him when he comes to the Hangar
wearing an opposing team jersey.

What a mess or should I say, fiasco.

This problem will not go away until Peddie is gone in my opininon.
This attitude and corporate culture is driven from the top on down no
matter what anybody thinks.

Poorboy
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On Jun 23, 9:33 am, Poorboy <TorontoFoo... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> So let's suppose for a minute you are a top o the line UFA, or a
> burgeoning star and da Leafs make you an offer (don't dream it, feel
> it) and you look back at how other marquee players have been treated
> and we may as well toss in the circus act that is front office to
> boot. Do you sign?

Kevin Lowe put the final bullets into the old NHL. It's a 3-year
training progarm via the draft, and then it's performance and choice
of situation. It's already been shown that players can wriggle out
but owners have little leverage. Next CBA will probably make it a 4-
year deal from the draft and then basically UFA - all the arbitration
and offer sheets and game-playing with be swept away. On the owners
side, buyouts will be more like football.

Does the guy sign? Less guys will sign in Toronto after what's gone
down. More guys will want to play elsewhere. It's the kind of
disadvantage that could be the difference between competitive and
frustration.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Mat Stajan. At this
point he's the Leafs #1 ctr, and he's about to be RFA.

> I actually feel bad for the whole Mats thing.

U bet. Just a big lose-lose ending.

> And some pinheads are going to boo him when he comes to the Hangar wearing an opposing team jersey.

Absolutely. There's people that bet their side of the argument on
Mats staying for life come hell or high water. Damn the details,
they're gonna be pissed at him when he shows up in 'other colours'.

Then there's the tankers - instead of Mats obediently going at the
trade deadline and returning on July 1 (at a hometown discounted
price, no less) - no picks and he volunteers to play elsewhere.
They'll probably want to blame him for it all ...

> What a mess or should I say, fiasco.

> This problem will not go away until Peddie is gone in my opininon.
> This attitude and corporate culture is driven from the top on down no
> matter what anybody thinks.

Yea, there's something about the drift and perspective of MLSE that's
not seeing the 'big hockey picture', isn't there?
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"owl" <churchsl.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 9:32 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Sundin gone?

Well, if you can join some dots passed the Leafs giving Mtl sole
negotiating rights before the July 1st deadline (btw, that includes
the Leafs staying out of it), and a 'next contract with the Leafs',
come awn downe!

For me, this is right up there with Lanny, Darryl, and Borje for
ending with a whimper. I'm in total awe of a situation where the guy
would have played to the better/bitter end in TO if the hillbillies
hadn't treated him like used luggage.

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Why the hell would he sign in Montreal though? I know they're all beating
off over there right now, but that team is fragile and any offer Gainey puts
up is actually quite a bit less when you put it through the Quebec taxation
system.

The dots I've connected look more like Fletch asserting his final offer to
Sundin's agent. The offer's been on the table, Mats went fishing, and
nobody seems to know if the big guy even wants to play next year.
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On Jun 23, 4:31 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> "owl" <churc... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e508e34b-7de5-4c41-a5f3-c575e3b028b6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 22, 9:32 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is Sundin gone?
>
> Well, if you can join some dots passed the Leafs giving Mtl sole
> negotiating rights before the July 1st deadline (btw, that includes
> the Leafs staying out of it), and a 'next contract with the Leafs',
> come awn downe!
>
> For me, this is right up there with Lanny, Darryl, and Borje for
> ending with a whimper.  I'm in total awe of a situation where the guy
> would have played to the better/bitter end in TO if the hillbillies
> hadn't treated him like used luggage.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Why the hell would he sign in Montreal though?

It's only a humble guess, but if he didn't want to consider it, he
could have just said no, n'est-ce pas?

Btw - Sportsnet reported that the Leafs actually gave permission first
to the Rangers.

>  I know they're all beating
> off over there right now, but that team is fragile and any offer Gainey puts
> up is actually quite a bit less when you put it through the Quebec taxation
> system.

If I took a cut at what Mats wants if he plays elsewhere, it's
respect, market money, and a post-season run. One year at a time.

> The dots I've connected look more like Fletch asserting his final offer to
> Sundin's agent.  The offer's been on the table, Mats went fishing, and
> nobody seems to know if the big guy even wants to play next year.

The report from the Winnipeg Sun talked about Sundin pretty much
wanting to play somewhere else - where he could spend the season just
playing hockey. The article had something to the effect that the Org
didn't make it easy to stay n play in Toronto.
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"owl" <churchsl.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 23, 4:31 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "owl" <churc....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> On Jun 22, 9:32 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is Sundin gone?
>
> Well, if you can join some dots passed the Leafs giving Mtl sole
> negotiating rights before the July 1st deadline (btw, that includes
> the Leafs staying out of it), and a 'next contract with the Leafs',
> come awn downe!
>
> For me, this is right up there with Lanny, Darryl, and Borje for
> ending with a whimper. I'm in total awe of a situation where the guy
> would have played to the better/bitter end in TO if the hillbillies
> hadn't treated him like used luggage.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Why the hell would he sign in Montreal though?
>
>It's only a humble guess, but if he didn't want to consider it, he
>could have just said no, n'est-ce pas?

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=241499

I don't think it's him pushing for Montreal, it's his agent, the Leafs, the
Habs, the Rangers all pushing him to decide to play next year. Last thing
Mats said was that he wanted to retire a Leaf.

>Btw - Sportsnet reported that the Leafs actually gave permission first
>to the Rangers.

> I know they're all beating
> off over there right now, but that team is fragile and any offer Gainey
> puts
> up is actually quite a bit less when you put it through the Quebec
> taxation
> system.
>
>If I took a cut at what Mats wants if he plays elsewhere, it's
>respect, market money, and a post-season run. One year at a time.

> The dots I've connected look more like Fletch asserting his final offer to
> Sundin's agent. The offer's been on the table, Mats went fishing, and
> nobody seems to know if the big guy even wants to play next year.

>The report from the Winnipeg Sun talked about Sundin pretty much
>wanting to play somewhere else - where he could spend the season just
>playing hockey. The article had something to the effect that the Org
>didn't make it easy to stay n play in Toronto.

Bah. Until I see punctuation indicators that begin with " and end with
'Mats said.', then I'll keep the drooling speculation in same place I keep
the Cox evaluations.
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