Schenn

Ken wrote:
> That's freaking great. Luke Schenn! 6'3", 212lbs (at 18 years old... he's
> got more room for muscle), compared to Adam Foote by TSN's Draft Prospects
> Thingy... The words being thrown around to describe him are "Human Eraser",
> "Physical Edge", "Franchise Player", "Defensive Defenseman"...
>
> He'll play for the Leafs this season. I can't wait. It's been awhile since
> opposing teams felt they had to keep their head up going into the Leafs
> zone.
>
>

Yup, agree Ken. The Leafs haven't had a stud D man in decades. Burning
the 2 & 3 picks were worth this sure thing. Great move by Cliff.

It is a start anyway. We may not see much of this guy next year unless
you have Marlies tickets. 18 year old D men are rare.
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> Ken wrote:
>> That's freaking great. Luke Schenn! 6'3", 212lbs (at 18 years old...
>> he's got more room for muscle), compared to Adam Foote by TSN's Draft
>> Prospects Thingy... The words being thrown around to describe him are
>> "Human Eraser", "Physical Edge", "Franchise Player", "Defensive
>> Defenseman"...
>>
>> He'll play for the Leafs this season. I can't wait. It's been awhile
>> since opposing teams felt they had to keep their head up going into the
>> Leafs zone.
>
> Yup, agree Ken. The Leafs haven't had a stud D man in decades. Burning the
> 2 & 3 picks were worth this sure thing. Great move by Cliff.
>
> It is a start anyway. We may not see much of this guy next year unless you
> have Marlies tickets. 18 year old D men are rare.


Hey, deals like this is why i was praying the Leafs would unload players at
the deadline when the price tags for just about anyone was super inflated.
Dumping a second to move up to get a player like Schenn is far easier for me
to swallow then dumping a second rounder for Yanic Perrault who played 13
games for the Leafs and wasnt re-signed. When you rebuild, you get as many
picks as possible, because it gives you flexability to move up like the
Leafs did tonight and take whomever the covet. If Schenn is as good as
advertised, this might be a steal down the road. I must admit i hate
listening to McGuire. Pierre loves every move, every trade and every
prospect. He is so over the top i want to puke.

Still cant figure out the Mayers deal.

Tunnel.
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"owl" <churchsl.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 20, 9:31 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's freaking great. Luke Schenn! 6'3", 212lbs (at 18 years old...
>> he's
>> got more room for muscle), compared to Adam Foote by TSN's Draft
>> Prospects
>> Thingy... The words being thrown around to describe him are "Human
>> Eraser",
>> "Physical Edge", "Franchise Player", "Defensive Defenseman"...
>>
>> He'll play for the Leafs this season. I can't wait. It's been awhile
>> since
>> opposing teams felt they had to keep their head up going into the Leafs
>> zone.
>
> Getting Schenn was excellent. The trade stunk. Shmaft used up two
> +one picks on draft day. No problems here if Barndoor Wilson had been
> the Man (and kept the one+one). Flinch 'had' to win a bidding war (a
> very familiar pattern).
>
> The other issue is playing time for Schenn. McCabe, Kaberle, Kubina
> (reglowed by Wilson), Stralman, Cola (health?). There's one spot
> open ... Aki Berg's old haunt on the Left Side.

Still convinced that those 5D are plan A? If it aint McCabe, it'll be Kabs
or Kubina. One's going. Hopefully two. Leafs D is porrous, has been for
years. If there's a market, sell.
>
> I can understand the move up if the choice was Boedker - snipers take
> more flak than flowers in TO. And TO loves big D-guys. But in the
> armsnlegs race, do you think the Leafs kept up with the competition
> for both depth and talent? (From here they thinned when they should
> have counted their ruff-gems and kept adding).

From here they got exactly what they needed... a 200+lb franchise cork.
>
> The heart of the matter is Schenn moving up a few spots in recent
> months. It made him look very shiny, didn't it?

If you're trying to knock Schenn, look elsewhere. The kid's good, no,
great. It was Doughty that changed his game. All Schenn did was get
bigger. The kid's been nothing but nailz for two years now. He's the real
deal, and exactly the kind of player the Leafs needed.
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On Jun 21, 12:42 am, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> "owl" <churc....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > The other issue is playing time for Schenn. McCabe, Kaberle, Kubina
> > (reglowed by Wilson), Stralman, Cola (health?). There's one spot
> > open ... Aki Berg's old haunt on the Left Side.
>
> Still convinced that those 5D are plan A? If it aint McCabe, it'll be Kabs
> or Kubina. One's going. Hopefully two. Leafs D is porrous, has been for
> years. If there's a market, sell.

Hopefully two? Kabs is a keeper. Kubina got great feedback from
Wilson, and McCabe is saying play me or buy me out. I don't think
they're moving. Either McCabe or Kubina going would open a spot for
Schenn. I'm not too keen on slowing down Stralman's development.
There's a 4-lane audit trail figuring White and Cola, for different
reasons, are the assets to trade.

> > I can understand the move up if the choice was Boedker - snipers take
> > more flak than flowers in TO. And TO loves big D-guys. But in the
> > armsnlegs race, do you think the Leafs kept up with the competition
> > for both depth and talent? (From here they thinned when they should
> > have counted their ruff-gems and kept adding).

> From here they got exactly what they needed... a 200+lb franchise cork.

It sure looks like that's the page Cliff was on.

> > The heart of the matter is Schenn moving up a few spots in recent
> > months. It made him look very shiny, didn't it?
>
> If you're trying to knock Schenn, look elsewhere.

mmm, nope. Schenn was the guy you threw out for discussion, and I was
on board from then to now. They got a very very good prospect.

> The kid's good, no,
> great. It was Doughty that changed his game. All Schenn did was get
> bigger. The kid's been nothing but nailz for two years now. He's the real
> deal, and exactly the kind of player the Leafs needed.

We see it differently. I was ready for moves that would add draft
choices instead of go the same ol' shmaft road. Kings, Isles, and
Devils, all seemed to have a better Clue book than TO. The Org again
laid out the direction and then went the opposite way.

Best line I heard at the draft was the first time LA got up. Did the
usual fan-thanking, and then told them to stay tuned for the picks -
"We have about a hundred of them." That was great.
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> "McDale" <nada RemoveThis @noway.ca> wrote in message
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>> Ken wrote:
>>> That's freaking great. Luke Schenn! 6'3", 212lbs (at 18 years old...
>>> he's got more room for muscle), compared to Adam Foote by TSN's Draft
>>> Prospects Thingy... The words being thrown around to describe him are
>>> "Human Eraser", "Physical Edge", "Franchise Player", "Defensive
>>> Defenseman"...
>>>
>>> He'll play for the Leafs this season. I can't wait. It's been awhile
>>> since opposing teams felt they had to keep their head up going into the
>>> Leafs zone.
>>
>> Yup, agree Ken. The Leafs haven't had a stud D man in decades. Burning
>> the 2 & 3 picks were worth this sure thing. Great move by Cliff.
>>
>> It is a start anyway. We may not see much of this guy next year unless
>> you have Marlies tickets. 18 year old D men are rare.
>
>
> Hey, deals like this is why i was praying the Leafs would unload players
> at the deadline when the price tags for just about anyone was super
> inflated. Dumping a second to move up to get a player like Schenn is far
> easier for me to swallow then dumping a second rounder for Yanic Perrault
> who played 13 games for the Leafs and wasnt re-signed. When you rebuild,
> you get as many picks as possible, because it gives you flexability to
> move up like the Leafs did tonight and take whomever the covet. If Schenn
> is as good as advertised, this might be a steal down the road. I must
> admit i hate listening to McGuire. Pierre loves every move, every trade
> and every prospect. He is so over the top i want to puke.
>
> Still cant figure out the Mayers deal.
>
> Tunnel.
>
>
well Mayers is tough as nails can pot a few goals and likes to hit umm I see
that's something the leafs lack and need I think it's a good deal
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On Jun 21, 5:48 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> "owl" <churc....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 21, 6:55 am, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "owl" <churc....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> The very definition of insanity is to continue doing exactly the same thing,
> >> expecting different results.
>
> > Odd, you were pretty high on the team before last year's rerun of
> > roster and results.
>
> I mulliganed the first year.  Now it's just plain obvious.

From here the 'plain obvious' was stated, and now they're doing the
opposite.

> > Coaching.  All the pushing around to open up spots on the right side.
> > All the injuries.  I hope Wilson simply puts and McCabe/Kaberle back
> > together and tunes it.
>
> Great.  We can get back to Quinn GA numbers.  Quinn won with offense and
> heroic goaltending.  I'll pass on another year of being one of the worst

PQuinn won. There was a decent chance every game they were going to
win. If they lost, they had payback in their next game (okay, maybe
in January not so much).

> defensive teams in the league.  We're closing in on the half-decade mark
> with that distinction.  I'm beyond blaming coaching.

Me too. Happened when Jason Blake was signed.

> > Yea, he's got that perseverance factor that teams need.  But on
> > defence it's like watching the charge of the lightest brigade.

> On that front, here comes Schenn.

Given the situation up front, the sooner the better.

> > Flinch seems to be operating on an interim-term plan.

> I like the picks though.

My gawd, don't tell White about the size of the monsters ... (Flinch
must have sorted the choices by mass).
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"owl" <churchsl.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 21, 5:48 pm, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "owl" <churc....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 21, 6:55 am, "Ken" <ken.hoofhear....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "owl" <churc....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> The very definition of insanity is to continue doing exactly the same
> >> thing,
> >> expecting different results.
>
> > Odd, you were pretty high on the team before last year's rerun of
> > roster and results.
>
> I mulliganed the first year. Now it's just plain obvious.

From here the 'plain obvious' was stated, and now they're doing the
opposite.

> > Coaching. All the pushing around to open up spots on the right side.
> > All the injuries. I hope Wilson simply puts and McCabe/Kaberle back
> > together and tunes it.
>
> Great. We can get back to Quinn GA numbers. Quinn won with offense and
> heroic goaltending. I'll pass on another year of being one of the worst

PQuinn won. There was a decent chance every game they were going to
win. If they lost, they had payback in their next game (okay, maybe
in January not so much).

> defensive teams in the league. We're closing in on the half-decade mark
> with that distinction. I'm beyond blaming coaching.

Me too. Happened when Jason Blake was signed.

> > Yea, he's got that perseverance factor that teams need. But on
> > defence it's like watching the charge of the lightest brigade.

> On that front, here comes Schenn.

Given the situation up front, the sooner the better.

> > Flinch seems to be operating on an interim-term plan.

> I like the picks though.

My gawd, don't tell White about the size of the monsters ... (Flinch
must have sorted the choices by mass).


I know you are referring to Fletcher...
But what the hell is FLINCH in reference too?
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