Semenov

On Dec 12, 10:32 am, Duane <letskee... RemoveThis @posting4now.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:58:04 -0800 (PST), "Mr. T"
>
> <ted.peder... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >Is it just me, or should this guy probably not be anywhere near an NHL
> >roster? I know Carle is struggling, but Carle on a bad night isn't
> >that bad, is he?
>
> I dunno, I think Semenov has played reasonably well. The Sharks have
> too many d-men right now, and need to do something about it. Even
> playing 7, Carle still sits. It makes more sense to me to make Carle
> one of the 7, and spot him in certain situations. But Semenov is
> playing as well as McLaren, well, until last night. And Davison seems
> to be on permanent skybox duty. Having 9 d-men on the roster is a bit
> much, and DW should probably rectify it. If RW doesn't want to play
> Carle, DW should demote him so he can get 20 minutes a night and
> continue his development.

Carle has been bothering me for a while. What really riles me is every
game he seems to get beat on pursuit at least two three times. He just
can't seem to pick up his man. If he were a corner in the NFL, he'd be
nickel or practice squad after blowing so many coverages.
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On Dec 12, 10:32 am, Duane <letskee....TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:58:04 -0800 (PST), "Mr. T"
>
> <ted.peder....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Is it just me, or should this guy probably not be anywhere near an NHL
> >roster? I know Carle is struggling, but Carle on a bad night isn't
> >that bad, is he?
>
> I dunno, I think Semenov has played reasonably well. The Sharks have
> too many d-men right now, and need to do something about it. Even
> playing 7, Carle still sits. It makes more sense to me to make Carle
> one of the 7, and spot him in certain situations. But Semenov is
> playing as well as McLaren, well, until last night. And Davison seems
> to be on permanent skybox duty. Having 9 d-men on the roster is a bit
> much, and DW should probably rectify it. If RW doesn't want to play
> Carle, DW should demote him so he can get 20 minutes a night and
> continue his development.

Yeah I noticed the 9 D. And Carle can't crack the top 7 on a team with
Semenov and Davison? I suppose I am in the wrong on this one, but I'll
go out on a limb and predict Semenov won't be any where near the
starting lineup for the last 20 Sharks games.
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On Dec 12, 4:49 pm, "Mr. T" <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 10:32 am, Duane <letskee....DeleteThis@posting4now.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:58:04 -0800 (PST), "Mr. T"
>
> > <ted.peder....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Is it just me, or should this guy probably not be anywhere near an NHL
> > >roster? I know Carle is struggling, but Carle on a bad night isn't
> > >that bad, is he?
>
> > I dunno, I think Semenov has played reasonably well. The Sharks have
> > too many d-men right now, and need to do something about it. Even
> > playing 7, Carle still sits. It makes more sense to me to make Carle
> > one of the 7, and spot him in certain situations. But Semenov is
> > playing as well as McLaren, well, until last night. And Davison seems
> > to be on permanent skybox duty. Having 9 d-men on the roster is a bit
> > much, and DW should probably rectify it. If RW doesn't want to play
> > Carle, DW should demote him so he can get 20 minutes a night and
> > continue his development.
>
> Yeah I noticed the 9 D. And Carle can't crack the top 7 on a team with
> Semenov and Davison? I suppose I am in the wrong on this one, but I'll
> go out on a limb and predict Semenov won't be any where near the
> starting lineup for the last 20 Sharks games.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Why is it that the Sharks can take any hugely talented defenseman (Oz,
Stuart, Carle) and turn them into a trainwreck, then dump them for
beans? Maybe, the reason we've never had a great defenseman is home
grown, not just luck of the draw.

The Carle situation parallels Sturat, who arrives on the scene, was
terrifying everybody at both ends of the ice, then suddenly became
timid and unsure of himself. I have to believe there's a coaching
aspect to this. If young guys make booboo's then get reprimanded or
skyboxed, instead of being told go kill somebody, then they can
retreat.

In any case, letting Carle rot is a damn shame.
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:36:40 -0800 (PST), tack <thetacker.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Why is it that the Sharks can take any hugely talented defenseman (Oz,
>Stuart, Carle) and turn them into a trainwreck, then dump them for
>beans? Maybe, the reason we've never had a great defenseman is home
>grown, not just luck of the draw.
>
>The Carle situation parallels Sturat, who arrives on the scene, was
>terrifying everybody at both ends of the ice, then suddenly became
>timid and unsure of himself. I have to believe there's a coaching
>aspect to this. If young guys make booboo's then get reprimanded or
>skyboxed, instead of being told go kill somebody, then they can
>retreat.
>
>In any case, letting Carle rot is a damn shame.

I think you are generalizing over too long of a period of time, Tack.
Sutter played vets over young guys, true. An argument was made in
this space (ad infinitum) that he never gave Zyuzin a chance. Wilson
doesn't have that problem, and you can see the trust he has put in
Ehrhoff, Carle, Gorges, Preissing, and especially Vlasic to take big
minutes in key situations.

I think Carle is just sophomore slumping, not contributing
sufficiently on the offensive side of things to make up for his
defensive deficiencies. Last year they sent him down to the AHL and
that didn't work too well, but this year they have given him a big
contract, so they need to let him play somewhere. This is a DW issue,
not an RW one, in my book.

As for the supposed blue-chippers of the past, Zyuzin is a complete
bust for a #2 overall, Jillson is a bust for a overall #14 (??? my
memory is slipping), Stuart is a mild disappointment for a 3rd
overall, although he is a competent defensive defenseman. If he was a
mid-late 1st rounder, you'd have no complaints (and he got us Joe).
Hannan is about right as a late first rounder expected to be a solid
defensive stopper. All of the Sharks current crop are mid 1st round
to 2nd round guys, and are performing about as expected, to better
than expected.

I'll try to make this the last time I ever mention Zyuzin in a post,
but my take is the scouts overrated him, and the player vastly
underachieved. I will never buy the argument that the Sharks, and
Sutter in particular," ruined" him. He's been a #5/#6 guy on every
team he has played for, and has shown very little of the end-end
playoff goal winner against Dallas stuff. He was never Zubov, and
never will be...
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On Dec 12, 6:28 pm, Duane <letskee....RemoveThis@posting4now.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:36:40 -0800 (PST), tack <thetac....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why is it that the Sharks can take any hugely talented defenseman (Oz,
> >Stuart, Carle) and turn them into a trainwreck, then dump them for
> >beans? Maybe, the reason we've never had a great defenseman is home
> >grown, not just luck of the draw.
>
> >The Carle situation parallels Sturat, who arrives on the scene, was
> >terrifying everybody at both ends of the ice, then suddenly became
> >timid and unsure of himself. I have to believe there's a coaching
> >aspect to this. If young guys make booboo's then get reprimanded or
> >skyboxed, instead of being told go kill somebody, then they can
> >retreat.
>
> >In any case, letting Carle rot is a damn shame.
>
> I think you are generalizing over too long of a period of time, Tack.
> Sutter played vets over young guys, true. An argument was made in
> this space (ad infinitum) that he never gave Zyuzin a chance. Wilson
> doesn't have that problem, and you can see the trust he has put in
> Ehrhoff, Carle, Gorges, Preissing, and especially Vlasic to take big
> minutes in key situations.
>
> I think Carle is just sophomore slumping, not contributing
> sufficiently on the offensive side of things to make up for his
> defensive deficiencies. Last year they sent him down to the AHL and
> that didn't work too well, but this year they have given him a big
> contract, so they need to let him play somewhere. This is a DW issue,
> not an RW one, in my book.
>
> As for the supposed blue-chippers of the past, Zyuzin is a complete
> bust for a #2 overall, Jillson is a bust for a overall #14 (??? my
> memory is slipping), Stuart is a mild disappointment for a 3rd
> overall, although he is a competent defensive defenseman. If he was a
> mid-late 1st rounder, you'd have no complaints (and he got us Joe).
> Hannan is about right as a late first rounder expected to be a solid
> defensive stopper. All of the Sharks current crop are mid 1st round
> to 2nd round guys, and are performing about as expected, to better
> than expected.
>
> I'll try to make this the last time I ever mention Zyuzin in a post,
> but my take is the scouts overrated him, and the player vastly
> underachieved. I will never buy the argument that the Sharks, and
> Sutter in particular," ruined" him. He's been a #5/#6 guy on every
> team he has played for, and has shown very little of the end-end
> playoff goal winner against Dallas stuff. He was never Zubov, and
> never will be...

Your points well taken. Just venting, I guess.

Carle obviously needs something. Power plays? Have to get him in
there and confident.
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On Dec 12, 3:28 pm, Duane <letskee....TakeThisOut@posting4now.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:36:40 -0800 (PST), tack <thetac....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why is it that the Sharks can take any hugely talented defenseman (Oz,
> >Stuart, Carle) and turn them into a trainwreck, then dump them for
> >beans? Maybe, the reason we've never had a great defenseman is home
> >grown, not just luck of the draw.
>
> >The Carle situation parallels Sturat, who arrives on the scene, was
> >terrifying everybody at both ends of the ice, then suddenly became
> >timid and unsure of himself. I have to believe there's a coaching
> >aspect to this. If young guys make booboo's then get reprimanded or
> >skyboxed, instead of being told go kill somebody, then they can
> >retreat.
>
> >In any case, letting Carle rot is a damn shame.
>
> I think you are generalizing over too long of a period of time, Tack.
> Sutter played vets over young guys, true. An argument was made in
> this space (ad infinitum) that he never gave Zyuzin a chance. Wilson
> doesn't have that problem, and you can see the trust he has put in
> Ehrhoff, Carle, Gorges, Preissing, and especially Vlasic to take big
> minutes in key situations.
>
> I think Carle is just sophomore slumping, not contributing
> sufficiently on the offensive side of things to make up for his
> defensive deficiencies. Last year they sent him down to the AHL and
> that didn't work too well, but this year they have given him a big
> contract, so they need to let him play somewhere. This is a DW issue,
> not an RW one, in my book.
>
> As for the supposed blue-chippers of the past, Zyuzin is a complete
> bust for a #2 overall, Jillson is a bust for a overall #14 (??? my
> memory is slipping), Stuart is a mild disappointment for a 3rd
> overall, although he is a competent defensive defenseman. If he was a
> mid-late 1st rounder, you'd have no complaints (and he got us Joe).
> Hannan is about right as a late first rounder expected to be a solid
> defensive stopper. All of the Sharks current crop are mid 1st round
> to 2nd round guys, and are performing about as expected, to better
> than expected.
>
> I'll try to make this the last time I ever mention Zyuzin in a post,
> but my take is the scouts overrated him, and the player vastly
> underachieved. I will never buy the argument that the Sharks, and
> Sutter in particular," ruined" him. He's been a #5/#6 guy on every
> team he has played for, and has shown very little of the end-end
> playoff goal winner against Dallas stuff. He was never Zubov, and
> never will be...

It gets to be so frustrating with all the high draft picks the
Sharks have had that not one, even Patty who has had his moments, has
turned out to be a superstar, or borderline superstar. They've had
some very good 2nd and lower round picks, such as Nabby, but like I
say, it is just so frustrating.
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