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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:26 am
Post subject: Sittler VS Sundin.
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I watched last nights game on LeafsTV and was shocked how similar Sundin and
Sittler's stats were. They left out one telling stat though. Games played.
I don't want to take anything away from Mats accomplishment, because i truly
feel once he hangs them up in a few years he might be the best Leaf of all
time. However, statistically from my calculations (and i could be wrong on
these) Darryl is still ahead of him.
After last nights game:
Sundin has played 912 regular season games amassing 390 goals and 917 points
with the club.
Sittler played in 844 regular season games collecting 389 goals and 916
points.
So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
Just some thoughts.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:44 am
Post subject: Re: Sittler VS Sundin. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:26:44 -0400, "Tunnel ©" <rat.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
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>I watched last nights game on LeafsTV and was shocked how similar Sundin and
>Sittler's stats were. They left out one telling stat though. Games played.
>I don't want to take anything away from Mats accomplishment, because i truly
>feel once he hangs them up in a few years he might be the best Leaf of all
>time. However, statistically from my calculations (and i could be wrong on
>these) Darryl is still ahead of him.
>
>After last nights game:
>
>Sundin has played 912 regular season games amassing 390 goals and 917 points
>with the club.
>
>Sittler played in 844 regular season games collecting 389 goals and 916
>points.
>
>So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
>assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
>player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
>
>Just some thoughts.
>
>Tunnel.
>
This is one of those statistics things that can be misleading. It's
difficult (but possible to attempt) to do a cross era statistical
analysis. You could look at things like average scoring per game
between eras, percentage of goals each player scored, quality of line
mates etc etc etc.
Things were just different then. Sundin played in the trap era with
30 teams, the both played on some good teams and some real bad ones.
What you pretty well end up with is a great subjective debate between
fans who are familiar with both eras.
Personally, I think it's a toss up.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:45 am
Post subject: Re: Sittler VS Sundin. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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While Sitler accomplished his record in fewer games....he also did it with
WINGERS on his line....There's No Way In Hell that you can compare Jonas
Hoglund with anyone that Sittler played with.....C'mon let's be honest
here...Sundin's points have mostly come while playing shorthanded 5 on
5...lol...The Only Time that SUNDIN ever had a winger was when Mogilny
played with the Leafs...and even then...Mogilny was past his prime....I've
always wanted and wondered just how productive Sundin would've been with a
pair of Decent Linemates...
D
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> I watched last nights game on LeafsTV and was shocked how similar Sundin
> and Sittler's stats were. They left out one telling stat though. Games
> played. I don't want to take anything away from Mats accomplishment,
> because i truly feel once he hangs them up in a few years he might be the
> best Leaf of all time. However, statistically from my calculations (and i
> could be wrong on these) Darryl is still ahead of him.
>
> After last nights game:
>
> Sundin has played 912 regular season games amassing 390 goals and 917
> points with the club.
>
> Sittler played in 844 regular season games collecting 389 goals and 916
> points.
>
> So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
> assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
> player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Tunnel.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Sittler VS Sundin. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:57 am
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:02:47 -0230, "Doc_yqx"
<doc_yqx.DeleteThis@nf.sympatico.ca> proclaimed:
>While Sitler accomplished his record in fewer games....he also did it with
>WINGERS on his line....There's No Way In Hell that you can compare Jonas
>Hoglund with anyone that Sittler played with.....C'mon let's be honest
>here...Sundin's points have mostly come while playing shorthanded 5 on
>5...lol...The Only Time that SUNDIN ever had a winger was when Mogilny
>played with the Leafs...and even then...Mogilny was past his prime....I've
>always wanted and wondered just how productive Sundin would've been with a
>pair of Decent Linemates...
>
>D
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Sundin had good linemates in Quebec and in Quebec he had 114 points
one season. Chances are that if he would have played with a good team
and had good wingers for all those wasted years then Sittler's records
would have been dusted a long long time ago.
As for Sittler versus Sundin: Sittler got all those points in less
games, but let us not forget that he was a streaky player. He scored
at least 300 of his goals in a single game against Boston and the rest
he stretched out over his career.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:38 pm
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> As for Sittler versus Sundin: Sittler got all those points in less
> games, but let us not forget that he was a streaky player. He scored
> at least 300 of his goals in a single game against Boston and the rest
> he stretched out over his career.
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> Adam.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:58 pm
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On Oct 12, 8:26 am, "Tunnel ©" <r....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> I watched last nights game on LeafsTV and was shocked how similar Sundin and
> Sittler's stats were. They left out one telling stat though. Games played.
Could go the other way with that - Sundin played through some injuries
that could have ended another guy's season.
> I don't want to take anything away from Mats accomplishment, because i truly
> feel once he hangs them up in a few years he might be the best Leaf of all
> time.
Yea, we've been there - Sundin, Sittler, Salming, Keon, Gilmour - hard
to knock anyone that picked one of those guys as the greatest-2-date.
> Sundin has played 912 regular season games amassing 390 goals and 917 points with the club.
> Sittler played in 844 regular season games collecting 389 goals and 916 points.
Way more PIMs than Sundin, way more fights. The Sittler era teams
were generally better performers, while Sundin got the coverage
because he stood out on weak teams more often.
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> So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
> assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
> player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
Sundin was the more dominant player, imo, because for stretches if you
stopped him the Leafs lost. Stopping Sittler had more ... room. >> Stay informed about: Sittler VS Sundin. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:45 pm
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"Tunnel ?" <rat.DeleteThis@nospam.com> says:
>So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
>assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
>player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
>Just some thoughts.
Sittler got to play with McDonald, Salming and Turnbull.
cordially, as always,
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:45 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:45 pm
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woj <woj.TakeThisOut@rogers.com> says:
>This is one of those statistics things that can be misleading. It's
>difficult (but possible to attempt) to do a cross era statistical
>analysis. You could look at things like average scoring per game
>between eras, percentage of goals each player scored, quality of line
>mates etc etc etc.
>Things were just different then. Sundin played in the trap era with
>30 teams, the both played on some good teams and some real bad ones.
>What you pretty well end up with is a great subjective debate between
>fans who are familiar with both eras.
>Personally, I think it's a toss up.
Sundin distinguished himself internationally much more than Sittler
ever did.
cordially, as always,
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:50 pm
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Mind you, Sittler played during a time which was a lot easier to score. The
90's and 00's with every player playing at a high level compared to the rest
of the league, that's gotta be the toughest time to put up points like that.
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> I watched last nights game on LeafsTV and was shocked how similar Sundin
> and Sittler's stats were. They left out one telling stat though. Games
> played. I don't want to take anything away from Mats accomplishment,
> because i truly feel once he hangs them up in a few years he might be the
> best Leaf of all time. However, statistically from my calculations (and i
> could be wrong on these) Darryl is still ahead of him.
>
> After last nights game:
>
> Sundin has played 912 regular season games amassing 390 goals and 917
> points with the club.
>
> Sittler played in 844 regular season games collecting 389 goals and 916
> points.
>
> So while Mats now holds the record for most points and goals, and soon
> assists in the history of the club. Sittler was probably a more dominant
> player for the Leafs. He did what Mats has done in 68 less games.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Tunnel.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Sittler VS Sundin. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:17 pm
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Damn....can't ya make it longer RM or is that rm...or Rm or rM....ya got
more personalities that some nationsbut the one thing ya don't
have....INTELLIGENCE !!!
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:53 pm
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