Sundin to Canucks

On Dec 18, 7:36 pm, wrote:
> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
> million per year contract.
>
> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
> their duds.
>
> Thank God we can put this to bed now.

I see 2 things here

1. Money - it was all about the money
2. Toronto - it was all about the money provided he didn't have to
play against Toronto; the place where is heart really is which should
tell you what type of effort he'll give. One cannot play to their
potential if their hear resides elsewhere.
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wrote in message

> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
> million per year contract.
>
> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
> their duds.
>
> Thank God we can put this to bed now.

I am. Thought he'd take the contender over the "tender". Guess the cost of
living in Sweden was more than I thought. Your last comment is right on.
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In writes:

>Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
>released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
>million per year contract.

>I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
>their duds.

>Thank God we can put this to bed now.

I think that the one more after money was his agent, because of the
provision. Matts made an mistake in not making a decission early enough
for the eastern teams (including Montreal) to have cap space for him.

Of course when you think of it, 20 mil. two year contract offer must
start to tease you, even though you are not short of pettycash. I think
it is better for the Canadiens that he goes west. He is still a
remarkable hockey player capable of helping any team, even the Rangers.

But as you say, it is good that this is over, even though I do not
believe that we will not hear or read about speculations what he could
have done in Montreal, New York or Philadelphia.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
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In Mike writes:

>On Dec 18, 7:36=A0pm, wrote:
>> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
>> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
>> million per year contract.
>>
>> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
>> their duds.
>>
>> Thank God we can put this to bed now.

>I see 2 things here

>1. Money - it was all about the money

You are right, it was the money, but the most important thing was the
missing cap space in Montreal and New York, when Vancouver could offer
him this ridiculous contract, he would be fool not to take it. If it
were only about money, then he would of course jump at it immeadiately
from the beginning of the season. Now it is prorated and his holiday
costed him about 5 mil. Some of us would have jumped for that money and
forgoten about our leisure time.

>2. Toronto - it was all about the money provided he didn't have to
>play against Toronto; the place where is heart really is which should
>tell you what type of effort he'll give. One cannot play to their
>potential if their hear resides elsewhere.

Don't worry. Mats Sundind is a dedicated athlete, he will work for his
new team kust as hard he would have worked for the Mighty Leafs.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
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Mike wrote:
> On Dec 18, 7:36 pm, wrote:
>> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
>> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
>> million per year contract.
>>
>> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
>> their duds.
>>
>> Thank God we can put this to bed now.
>
> I see 2 things here
>
> 1. Money - it was all about the money
> 2. Toronto - it was all about the money provided he didn't have to
> play against Toronto; the place where is heart really is which should
> tell you what type of effort he'll give. One cannot play to their
> potential if their hear resides elsewhere.

Not to mention that he won't have to put up with constant jeering when
the Rangers play any North Eastern team.
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wrote:
> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
> million per year contract.
>
> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
> their duds.
>
> Thank God we can put this to bed now.
Not to be smug, but I put it to bed months ago.

I really didn't want him unless he was here for training camp and
prepared to start the year with the Canadiens.

No anger towards Mats..he was in a position few athletes get to
be..total freedom to determine where you will play or even IF you will
play. Good for him and more power to him.

I just want total commitment from players who are pulling in that kind
of cash. That wasn't Mats intention..he was going for max money and (I
think) less pressure than would come down on him in Montreal. Thats not
a criticism..going to the Leafs traditional rival and being expected to
be the standard bearer for this proud franchise is something that might
give anyone pause...especially a man like Mats who became synonymous
with Leafs hockey.

I just didn't see it happening once he turned down Bob at the start of
this whole process.

Rob D
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On Dec 18, 5:50 pm, tarkk... DeleteThis @cc.helsinki.fi (Lauri Tarkkonen) wrote:

>
> Of course when you think of it, 20 mil. two year contract offer must
> start to tease you, even though you are not short of pettycash. I think
> it is better for the Canadiens that he goes west. He is still a
> remarkable hockey player capable of helping any team, even the Rangers.
>

Indeed, Rangers are a far better bet than the 'nucks to advance in the
post-season.

In the end, given with almost half the season done, Sundin *could*
have hitched himself to New York by forgoing a big cheque, but oh
well .... his choice.

A.J.
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If it was just for the money he would have signed a 2 year contract.


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> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
> million per year contract.
>
> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
> their duds.
>
> Thank God we can put this to bed now.
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In article ,
Rob Dewar wrote:

>I just want total commitment from players who are pulling in that kind
>of cash. That wasn't Mats intention..he was going for max money and (I
>think) less pressure than would come down on him in Montreal.

Sorry Rob, but that's bullshit. If it was about money he would have signed
July 1st. And thanks to Bettman's friggin league you folks have little
exposure to the teams or culture of the west. I don't want to demean the
aspirations of the Habs, I was as big a fan of Montreal as ever existed before
the Canucks finally got their seat in the club. But the hype about the Habs
winning the cup this 100th year was really laughable. The cup is going to
a team out of the west. No one team comes close to Detroit or SJ. We all
have hope, and anything can happen, but.......

As far as less pressure ? Uh uh. There's as much pressure, media and
otherwise in Vancouver as there is in Montreal. Canadians from coast
to coast love their hockey and their team and Montreal has no monopoly
on passion. In fact, the Habs posturing that they somehow _deserve_
the cup this year, and they actually have a shot, is quite funny-- not a
chance in hell.

Jim
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foamy wrote:
> In article ,
> Rob Dewar wrote:
>
>> I just want total commitment from players who are pulling in that kind
>> of cash. That wasn't Mats intention..he was going for max money and (I
>> think) less pressure than would come down on him in Montreal.
>
> Sorry Rob, but that's bullshit. If it was about money he would have signed
> July 1st. And thanks to Bettman's friggin league you folks have little
> exposure to the teams or culture of the west. I don't want to demean the
> aspirations of the Habs, I was as big a fan of Montreal as ever existed before
> the Canucks finally got their seat in the club. But the hype about the Habs
> winning the cup this 100th year was really laughable. The cup is going to
> a team out of the west. No one team comes close to Detroit or SJ. We all
> have hope, and anything can happen, but.......
>
> As far as less pressure ? Uh uh. There's as much pressure, media and
> otherwise in Vancouver as there is in Montreal. Canadians from coast
> to coast love their hockey and their team and Montreal has no monopoly
> on passion. In fact, the Habs posturing that they somehow _deserve_
> the cup this year, and they actually have a shot, is quite funny-- not a
> chance in hell.
>
> Jim
>
>

Your Western arrogance will make you look silly when an Eastern team
cleans up in the finals

The Mad Ape
www.tatumba.com
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"Mad Ape" wrote in message

> foamy wrote:
>> In article , Rob Dewar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just want total commitment from players who are pulling in that kind
>>> of cash. That wasn't Mats intention..he was going for max money and (I
>>> think) less pressure than would come down on him in Montreal.
>>
>> Sorry Rob, but that's bullshit. If it was about money he would have
>> signed July 1st. And thanks to Bettman's friggin league you folks have
>> little exposure to the teams or culture of the west. I don't want to
>> demean the
>> aspirations of the Habs, I was as big a fan of Montreal as ever existed
>> before
>> the Canucks finally got their seat in the club. But the hype about the
>> Habs winning the cup this 100th year was really laughable. The cup is
>> going to
>> a team out of the west. No one team comes close to Detroit or SJ. We all
>> have hope, and anything can happen, but.......
>>
>> As far as less pressure ? Uh uh. There's as much pressure, media and
>> otherwise in Vancouver as there is in Montreal. Canadians from coast to
>> coast love their hockey and their team and Montreal has no monopoly
>> on passion. In fact, the Habs posturing that they somehow _deserve_
>> the cup this year, and they actually have a shot, is quite funny-- not a
>> chance in hell.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>
> Your Western arrogance will make you look silly when an Eastern team
> cleans up in the finals
>
> The Mad Ape
> www.tatumba.com

Bang on, man. As far as I recall, we kicked Detroit's butt, beat
Minnesota and Calgary (considered to be West conference top teams) and lost
to Anaheim despite thoroughly outplaying them. If we make it to the finals
(huge if the way this team plays some nights), I like our chances thank you
very much.

Steve
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> Surprised? In the end he chased the money, though the terms were not
> released. One can only assume that they are taking the pro-rated 10-
> million per year contract.
>
> I thought the Rangers would pull it off, but they couldn't move any of
> their duds.
>
> Thank God we can put this to bed now.

All that "soul searching" just to go for the money in the end. LOL.

Good for the Canucks though. They ponied up the dough intially (too much
IMO, but anyway). They iced a team still with plenty of cap space for him.
They deserved him.
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I can't believe people think this was about the money. Then again,
there have been a lot of people with their hands over their ears just
blathering on with their own nonsensical interpretations of Sundin's
motivations throughout the saga.

If it was about the money, $20M/2years sounds a heckuvalot better than
$5M/1yr, and Vancouver has made it clear throughout that the full $20M/
2 has always been on the table.

The Canucks are a better team than the Rangers.

They don't have to move any players to make room for Sundin.

They'll still have enough cap room to add significant players before
the deadline.

It sounds like Sundin's decision was not based on money at all. In
fact, he didn't even take the 2nd year of the contract, which could
have negatively impacted the Canucks' ability to retain key impending-
UFAs like the Sedins, Ohlund, etc.

Good for Sundin, good for Canucks fans, I say.

Now here's hoping he rips it up for them and helps put them in the Cup
finals.

l8r,
Gerry
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