I Suppose That Its Sundin OR Hossa

On Jun 21, 7:11 pm, John Corbin <JohnHabs....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we really afford Hossa?

No. Gainey said that he has 6 - 7 million to spend on an 'impact
forward' Hossa commands at least 8 million. So if Gainey gord for him
then he also has to dump salary. You pick who goes.

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT), crussellp
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>That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
>2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
>want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
>that it is worth it.
>
>If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
>that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
>worth it.
>

You echo my thoughts.


>BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
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On Jun 21, 7:11 pm, John Corbin <JohnHabs... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we really afford Hossa?

No. Gainey said that he has 6 - 7 million to spend on an 'impact
forward' Hossa commands at least 8 million. So if Gainey gord for him
then he also has to dump salary. You pick who goes.

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I believe Sundin makes the Habs a far better team then Hossa ever could.
First and foremost he is a highly skilled center, which is something the
Habs haven't had since Pierre Turgeon was traded many moons ago.

Tunnel.
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crussellp wrote:
> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
> that it is worth it.
>
> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
> worth it.
>
> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!

Even if Sundin doesn't sign, you can keep Hossa. He wants an awful lot
of money for a guy who averages about 75 points a year. He simply is not
worth the money he thinks he should demand. It always amazes me how much
money these guys think they are worth. I'm old enough to remember the
Lafleur years - the glory years. Hossa couldn't hold a jock strap to
about half a dozen players on that team. I'd much rather see Gainey
spend Hamrilk money on another Hamrilk type player and shore up the
defense then chase Hossa. Hossa will be a boat anchor to this team.
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crussellp wrote:
> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
> that it is worth it.
>
> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
> worth it.
>
> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
One other thing. What did it cost the Pens to have Hossa for a couple
months?

Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a first-round
draft choice. So much for the genius of Ray Shero I guess.
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"Mike" <mike RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> crussellp wrote:
>> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
>> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
>> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
>> that it is worth it.
>>
>> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
>> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
>> worth it.
>>
>> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
> One other thing. What did it cost the Pens to have Hossa for a couple
> months?
>
> Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a first-round draft
> choice. So much for the genius of Ray Shero I guess.

Well, he made a solid offer for Hossa, and the Pens did get to the finals.
Can't really complain with attempting to go for the Cup and falling just
short...

Dave
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On Jun 22, 12:16 am, "Tunnel ©" <r... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
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> > "Mike" <m... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> crussellp wrote:
> >>> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
> >>> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
> >>> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
> >>> that it is worth it.
>
> >>> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
> >>> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
> >>> worth it.
>
> >>> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
> >> One other thing. What did it cost the Pens to have Hossa for a couple
> >> months?
>
> >> Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a first-round
> >> draft choice. So much for the genius of Ray Shero I guess.
>
> > Well, he made a solid offer for Hossa, and the Pens did get to the finals.
> > Can't really complain with attempting to go for the Cup and falling just
> > short...
>
> > Dave
>
> Don't blame Shero, Hossa was all Mario Lemieux's idea.  That has been well
> documented.
>
> Lets look back on how Hossa left Atlanta.  He wouldnt even negotiate with
> them.  He turned his nose up at Atlanta's 5 year / 35 million dollar
> contract.  Remember Atlanta traded away a pretty good player in Heatley to
> get Hossa.  He was also a training camp hold out a couple times with the
> Senators.  So the Penguins should have known what they were getting into
> with Marian Hossa.  The Penguins also had the depth in prospects to take a
> chance and make a risky move like that.  Its not like they were swept in the
> first round either.  Now when the Thrashers gave up Colburn to Philly for
> Zhitnik and then dumped a first, second and third rounder(s) for Tkachuk
> just to make the playoffs only to be swept..  I mean "RETARDS".  .  Everyone
> expected the Penguins to challenge for the cup and they almost achieved
> their goal.
>
> Hossa is a mercenary through and through.  He has always been and always
> will.  Taking one for the team isnt in his vocabulary and he is only loyal
> to himself.  Money has always been more important to him then team success.
> The up and coming Penguins want to pay him 7.15 million dollars a year to
> play on Sidney Crosby's right side for the next 7 seasons... and thats not
> good enough for Hossa?   Ridiculous.  Let him walk Ray.  This is why
> unloading vast amount of picks and prospects for rentals isn't all that
> smart.  If you have a huge shot at the cup and need a player, fine...  But
> dont expect him back in the fall, because they rarely return.
>
> Remember at the trade deadline, when i posted Gainey's failure to land Hossa
> was a good thing.  Remember how disappointed a number of Habs fans were that
> the Habs didn't get Hossa.  Calling for Gainey's head.  Hossa is bad news.
> He had 66 points last season and from what ive read wants 10 million a
> season.
>
> He is a joke, and much like Briere's contract, Hossa's will also one day be
> a monstrous albatross to whichever organization lands him.  I pray it isnt
> Toronto.
>
> Sundin on the other hand is as loyal as they come. If he chooses to leave
> Toronto its only because he is 37 and the Leafs are in complete rebuild mode
> I also believe he wasn't very happy with the no trade clause fiasco the
> Leafs put him and some of his teammates through at the deadline.
>
> Tunnel.- Hide quoted text -
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Hossa does seem to want a higher salary than his 2007-2008 production
warrants. HOWEVER, I think Tunnel and others are misreading his
reasons for turning down $7.15M for 6 years. Hossa never said the
money wasn't enough. In fact, he EXPLICITLY said that he might take
less money, in exchange for being on a team that will compete for the
Cup for years. It seems that come July 1st, he is going to try and
evaluate the chances each prospective team has of meeting his
criteria. In the end, the winner of the Hossa sweepstakes may just be
Pittsburgh after all.

With respect to Pittsburgh, I think it's possible that Hossa wants to
see if Malkin is going to be traded or re-signed. That would make a
huge difference in their Cup chances.


Victor
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"Dave St.Onge" <*.*> wrote in message
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> "Mike" <mike.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> crussellp wrote:
>>> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
>>> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
>>> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
>>> that it is worth it.
>>>
>>> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
>>> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
>>> worth it.
>>>
>>> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
>> One other thing. What did it cost the Pens to have Hossa for a couple
>> months?
>>
>> Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a first-round
>> draft choice. So much for the genius of Ray Shero I guess.
>
> Well, he made a solid offer for Hossa, and the Pens did get to the finals.
> Can't really complain with attempting to go for the Cup and falling just
> short...
>
> Dave
>

Don't blame Shero, Hossa was all Mario Lemieux's idea. That has been well
documented.

Lets look back on how Hossa left Atlanta. He wouldnt even negotiate with
them. He turned his nose up at Atlanta's 5 year / 35 million dollar
contract. Remember Atlanta traded away a pretty good player in Heatley to
get Hossa. He was also a training camp hold out a couple times with the
Senators. So the Penguins should have known what they were getting into
with Marian Hossa. The Penguins also had the depth in prospects to take a
chance and make a risky move like that. Its not like they were swept in the
first round either. Now when the Thrashers gave up Colburn to Philly for
Zhitnik and then dumped a first, second and third rounder(s) for Tkachuk
just to make the playoffs only to be swept.. I mean "RETARDS". . Everyone
expected the Penguins to challenge for the cup and they almost achieved
their goal.

Hossa is a mercenary through and through. He has always been and always
will. Taking one for the team isnt in his vocabulary and he is only loyal
to himself. Money has always been more important to him then team success.
The up and coming Penguins want to pay him 7.15 million dollars a year to
play on Sidney Crosby's right side for the next 7 seasons... and thats not
good enough for Hossa? Ridiculous. Let him walk Ray. This is why
unloading vast amount of picks and prospects for rentals isn't all that
smart. If you have a huge shot at the cup and need a player, fine... But
dont expect him back in the fall, because they rarely return.

Remember at the trade deadline, when i posted Gainey's failure to land Hossa
was a good thing. Remember how disappointed a number of Habs fans were that
the Habs didn't get Hossa. Calling for Gainey's head. Hossa is bad news.
He had 66 points last season and from what ive read wants 10 million a
season.

He is a joke, and much like Briere's contract, Hossa's will also one day be
a monstrous albatross to whichever organization lands him. I pray it isnt
Toronto.

Sundin on the other hand is as loyal as they come. If he chooses to leave
Toronto its only because he is 37 and the Leafs are in complete rebuild mode
I also believe he wasn't very happy with the no trade clause fiasco the
Leafs put him and some of his teammates through at the deadline.

Tunnel.
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Dave St.Onge wrote:
> "Mike" <mike.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> crussellp wrote:
>>> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
>>> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
>>> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
>>> that it is worth it.
>>>
>>> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
>>> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
>>> worth it.
>>>
>>> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
>> One other thing. What did it cost the Pens to have Hossa for a couple
>> months?
>>
>> Colby Armstrong, Eric Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a first-round draft
>> choice. So much for the genius of Ray Shero I guess.
>
> Well, he made a solid offer for Hossa, and the Pens did get to the finals.
> Can't really complain with attempting to go for the Cup and falling just
> short...
>
> Dave
>
>
Perhaps but I thank God Gainey turned down Atanta's request. Even if
they had made the finals it wouldn't be worth losing that type of
future. Imagine losing Higgins, little Tits and a first rounder - no thanks.
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"Mike" <mike.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> crussellp wrote:
>> That is the safe bet I would imagine. A lot safer to sink the $7M into
>> 2 years rather than the long term hurt that Hossa would certainly
>> want. If it costs us a draft pick to concentrate on one player, I say
>> that it is worth it.
>>
>> If Sundin does not sign with MTL from now to July one, BG will know
>> that he has to concentrate his efforts on Hossa. I think that it is
>> worth it.
>>
>> BG will keep his eye on the ball this year. no doubt!
>
> Even if Sundin doesn't sign, you can keep Hossa. He wants an awful lot of
> money for a guy who averages about 75 points a year. He simply is not
> worth the money he thinks he should demand. It always amazes me how much
> money these guys think they are worth. I'm old enough to remember the
> Lafleur years - the glory years. Hossa couldn't hold a jock strap to about
> half a dozen players on that team. I'd much rather see Gainey spend
> Hamrilk money on another Hamrilk type player and shore up the defense then
> chase Hossa. Hossa will be a boat anchor to this team.



Hossa = Samsonov...


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