Timmy B on Orr

On 2007-12-27, Timmy B <timbrug.RemoveThis@noptonline.net> wrote:
> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)

ITYM ''troll''.

> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
> all I'm still living in 1994.

You lucky bastard. I missed both the play and the replay, and have only
been able to watch in a tiny browser window.

> The hit was definitely not late.
> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
> penalty being applicable.
> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
> hit.

Much as I hate the Rangers, being a FAKE Rangers fan, I am reluctantly
forced to agree with Mr. Blue-Glasses Fan.

> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
> of this.

With all the brains in the NHL front office, I expect nothing less than
a 50-game suspension.

I think it's telling that, so far, Laviolette hasn't whinged about how
Orr is the worst person in NHL history and should be banned for life.
Any coach who actually believed that there was some sort of evil intent
would be doing so as we write. So I would guess that Laviolette feels
that the hit was not so dirty as to warrant suspension.

What's up with Avery picking a fight after the linesmen hold him back?
That was pretty stupid, and it could have cost the win.

--keith


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in article o5a6n3t3fbs9icqbotq9dnjprvdpg9tlqv DeleteThis @4ax.com, Timmy B at
timbrug DeleteThis @noptonline.net wrote on 12/26/07 11:45 PM:

> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
> all I'm still living in 1994.
>
> The hit was definitely not late.
> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
> penalty being applicable.
> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
> hit.
>
> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
> of this.
>

Get ready to be disappointed.

Campbell will trot out some platitude about previous infractions and suspend
ORR three games.

Sorry, Orr's a Ranger? Seven games.
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On Dec 26, 10:19 pm, Timmy B <timb... RemoveThis @noptonline.net> wrote:
> Here's what I fear though. This type of "taking liberty" hit is what
> the league is trying to get a grip on. The fact that Cullen had his
> bell rung will compound matters. No doubt under a different NHL
> climate from yesteryear, this hit would be played on highlight shows
> and Orr would be basking in glory.

I can't imagine the explosion that Renney and Sather would have if Orr
gets suspended for that under the guise of "protecting the head", yet
there was no action taken for the elbow to Prucha's head against
Minnesota.
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On Dec 27, 2:45 am, "IommiRULES" <spamt....DeleteThis@bird.net> wrote:
> "Alex" <akaufm....DeleteThis@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > in article o5a6n3t3fbs9icqbotq9dnjprvdpg9t....DeleteThis@4ax.com, Timmy B at
> > timb....DeleteThis@noptonline.net wrote on 12/26/07 11:45 PM:
>
> >> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> >> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
> >> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
> >> all I'm still living in 1994.
>
> >> The hit was definitely not late.
> >> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
> >> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
> >> penalty being applicable.
> >> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
> >> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
> >> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
> >> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
> >> hit.
>
> >> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
> >> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
> >> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
> >> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
> >> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
> >> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
> >> of this.
>
> > Get ready to be disappointed.
>
> > Campbell will trot out some platitude about previous infractions and
> > suspend
> > ORR three games.
>
> > Sorry, Orr's a Ranger? Seven games.
>
> Zero games. It was more of a mid ice collision Rather than Orr trying to
> take him out. It was a Helmet against Helmet that KO'ed Cullen, not Orrs
> hands or elbow.
> In fact the penalty itself was just an overreaction because Cullen was KOed.

Stop trying to attribute logic and facts to a tin-pot dictator who's
never gotten over being fired by the Rangers.
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> in article o5a6n3t3fbs9icqbotq9dnjprvdpg9tlqv DeleteThis @4ax.com, Timmy B at
> timbrug DeleteThis @noptonline.net wrote on 12/26/07 11:45 PM:
>
>> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
>> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>>
>> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
>> all I'm still living in 1994.
>>
>> The hit was definitely not late.
>> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
>> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
>> penalty being applicable.
>> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
>> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
>> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
>> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
>> hit.
>>
>> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
>> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
>> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
>> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
>> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
>> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
>> of this.
>>
>
> Get ready to be disappointed.
>
> Campbell will trot out some platitude about previous infractions and
> suspend
> ORR three games.
>
> Sorry, Orr's a Ranger? Seven games.
>

Zero games. It was more of a mid ice collision Rather than Orr trying to
take him out. It was a Helmet against Helmet that KO'ed Cullen, not Orrs
hands or elbow.
In fact the penalty itself was just an overreaction because Cullen was KOed.
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> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)

I guess his stocking was full of coal instead of beanie babies.
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Nicely put.

Here is my take/addition:

First, it is difficult to tell whether Orr and Cullen collided without
intent. In other words: did Orr deliberately check Cullen? I say this
because because it looks as though Orr put up his hands in defence.

Second, if Campbell is to review this will he also review Commodore's
instigation? The refs screwed this up. Commodore sought out Orr and
started the fight. He should have been given two for instigating, 10
minute misconduct and game misconduct.

Third, I expect Campbell will suspend Orr for 5-8 games. The reason is
because of who was hit.

-Doug

Timmy B wrote:
> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
> all I'm still living in 1994.
>
> The hit was definitely not late.
> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
> penalty being applicable.
> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
> hit.
>
> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
> of this.
>
> Timmy
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On Dec 27, 9:59�am, "BillG" <Bi... DeleteThis @microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - �Rangers
> > Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
> I guess his stocking was full of coal instead of beanie babies.

Did you get that saddle bag for the scooter this X-mas? You know to
carry around your purse and feminine hygiene products.
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:45:22 GMT, Timmy B <timbrug.DeleteThis@noptonline.net>
wrote:

>Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
>Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
>Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay

Note to Bob, before he starts comparing the two of us: I have a tivo.



>. Hey after
>all I'm still living in 1994.
>
>The hit was definitely not late.
>Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
>did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
>penalty being applicable.
>Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
>compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
>did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
>deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
>hit.
>
>It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
>Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
>Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
>the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
>closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
>upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
>of this.
>
>Timmy

peace,

Rog
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On Dec 26, 11:45 pm, Timmy B <timb....RemoveThis@noptonline.net> wrote:
> Ok, let's get our Tim's straight so our resident Devils fan - Rangers
> Basher can get his insults in order. :-)
>
> Here's how I saw it on my 27" standard tv with vcr replay. Hey after
> all I'm still living in 1994.
>
> The hit was definitely not late.
> Orr stopped striding long before making contact with Cullen. Also Orr
> did not leave his feet and leap into Cullen. I don't see a charging
> penalty being applicable.
> Orr did have his hands up high on Cullen's chest but that could be
> compounded by Cullen leaning forward and looking down at his feet. Orr
> did nothing over the line with his hands except bracing himself to
> deliver a hit as any other player does when he's about to deliver a
> hit.
>
> It should be interesting as to how Campbell handles this. Unless
> Collie determines Orr's hands made contact with the head, or he feels
> Orr used his head intentionally to deliver the hit,*I* would call for
> the major to be rescinded. However with high hits being looked at
> closely, I could see Campbell ruling on the conservative side and
> upholding the major. I would be disappointed if a suspension came out
> of this.
>
> Timmy

I missed the game. Why would Orr be hitting Cullen?
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