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tack

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:17 am
Post subject: Yeah, We Won, But.....
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Hey, it's a "W." But, heck, what a contrast in styles.

I watched Chicago repeatedly pass and possess the puck and almost
always skate it across the blueline, rarely dumping it anywhere. A
very "Detroit" style.

Then, I watch the Sharks dump and scramble, and that's only effective
when they get all fired up for short bursts and really pressure their
opponents on the boards. That seems to be their only effective
approach, but they don't do it very often.

If not for the power plays, San Jose could have easily lost the game.

One particularly bad play, which typifies the Sharks' get-rid-of-it
style, was on the first Chicago goal. A rebound comes to Ozolinsh,
who rather than possessing the puck and skating it behind the net,
instead, just blindly bats it toward to boards, where it goes directly
to the Chicago point man, who promptly blasts it right at Nabokov, and
the rebound is easily knocked in. (At least Oz scored to make up, in
part, for the bonehead play.)

So, it was a win, but not very inspiring. They need to get much, much
better.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:06 am
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:17:17 -0800 (PST), tack <thetacker.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hey, it's a "W." But, heck, what a contrast in styles.
>
>I watched Chicago repeatedly pass and possess the puck and almost
>always skate it across the blueline, rarely dumping it anywhere. A
>very "Detroit" style.
>
>Then, I watch the Sharks dump and scramble, and that's only effective
>when they get all fired up for short bursts and really pressure their
>opponents on the boards. That seems to be their only effective
>approach, but they don't do it very often.
>
>If not for the power plays, San Jose could have easily lost the game.
>
>One particularly bad play, which typifies the Sharks' get-rid-of-it
>style, was on the first Chicago goal. A rebound comes to Ozolinsh,
>who rather than possessing the puck and skating it behind the net,
>instead, just blindly bats it toward to boards, where it goes directly
>to the Chicago point man, who promptly blasts it right at Nabokov, and
>the rebound is easily knocked in. (At least Oz scored to make up, in
>part, for the bonehead play.)
>
>So, it was a win, but not very inspiring. They need to get much, much
>better.

I'm less concerned about style, and more with results. Dumping and
chasing works fine, as long as it starts an attack of some kind. But
if they don't eventually get the puck to the net, it means nothing.
Detroit was effective at containing Joe because they rushed two guys
towards him as he got the puck, even on the PP, and one of them was
usually Lidstrom. Chicago did a pretty good job on the Sharks
forwards, but the defense stepped up and scored two goals, and that
was the difference. They also had a harder time with Joe than Det. Go
figure.

The Detroit game revealed the Sharks problems, as it always does, and
they have two big ones:

1) No one worries about the Sharks point shots, which allows them to
focus on Joe. You would have thought that replacing Hannan with
Ozolinsh you would have at least got scoring from the point (and at
least 1 major gaffe per game), but it hasn't happened (except the
gaffes). Meanwhile, they lost a considerable amount of defense.
Murray has stepped up, and that has helped, but the Sharks are doing
it with six #3/4 guys as opposed to 1 guy who is a threat on offense,
and a stopper on defense, and the usual mix of other guys.

2) The Sharks offense is too predicable, and a whole bunch of guys are
scoring inconsistently. RW changes line combinations, but the players
still do the exact same things on the ice -- dump, chase, chase,
chase, fall back, defend, recover, get a line change, defend, and
recover again. Its not only boring to watch, but not very effective
either. They need to use their size and speed in the center of the
ice too, making space for a rush, rushing 4 guys sometimes, and then
someone staying at the net to create screens. Joe did that last
night, and Goal.

There are other problems, of course, but last year their offensive
output and PP covered a lot of their sins. This year the rest of the
NHL has figured out how to defend them.

#1 and #2 defensemen are in short supply, of course. The Sharks could
pry McCabe from Toronto, but can't afford him next season. The same
with Redden, and he would cost a lot in trade value too. They might
be able to get Blake from LA, and he might be the best they can do.
That's DW's part of the deal. As for RW, he needs to get creative on
offense. He's shown he can adjust before. Let's see if he can manage
it this time.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:50 am
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On Jan 23, 12:06 pm, Duane <letskee... RemoveThis @posting4now.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:17:17 -0800 (PST), tack <thetac... RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hey, it's a "W."  But, heck, what a contrast in styles.
>
> >I watched Chicago repeatedly pass and possess the puck and almost
> >always skate it across the blueline, rarely dumping it anywhere.  A
> >very "Detroit" style.
>
> >Then, I watch the Sharks dump and scramble, and that's only effective
> >when they get all fired up for short bursts and really pressure their
> >opponents on the boards.  That seems to be their only effective
> >approach, but they don't do it very often.
>
> >If not for the power plays, San Jose could have easily lost the game.
>
> >One particularly bad play, which typifies the Sharks' get-rid-of-it
> >style, was on the first Chicago goal.  A rebound comes to Ozolinsh,
> >who rather than possessing the puck and skating it behind the net,
> >instead, just blindly bats it toward to boards, where it goes directly
> >to the Chicago point man, who promptly blasts it right at Nabokov, and
> >the rebound is easily knocked in.  (At least Oz scored to make up, in
> >part, for the bonehead play.)
>
> >So, it was a win, but not very inspiring.  They need to get much, much
> >better.
>
> I'm less concerned about style, and more with results.  Dumping and
> chasing works fine, as long as it starts an attack of some kind.  But
> if they don't eventually get the puck to the net, it means nothing.
> Detroit was effective at containing Joe because they rushed two guys
> towards him as he got the puck, even on the PP, and one of them was
> usually Lidstrom.  Chicago did a pretty good job on the Sharks
> forwards, but the defense stepped up and scored two goals, and that
> was the difference.  They also had a harder time with Joe than Det. Go
> figure.
>
> The Detroit game revealed the Sharks problems, as it always does, and
> they have two big ones:
>
> 1) No one worries about the Sharks point shots, which allows them to
> focus on Joe.  You would have thought that replacing Hannan with
> Ozolinsh you would have at least got scoring from the point (and at
> least 1 major gaffe per game), but it hasn't happened (except the
> gaffes).  Meanwhile, they lost a considerable amount of defense.
> Murray has stepped up, and that has helped, but the Sharks are doing
> it with six #3/4 guys as opposed to 1 guy who is a threat on offense,
> and a stopper on defense, and the usual mix of other guys.
>
> 2) The Sharks offense is too predicable, and a whole bunch of guys are
> scoring inconsistently.  RW changes line combinations, but the players
> still do the exact same things on the ice -- dump, chase, chase,
> chase, fall back, defend, recover, get a line change, defend, and
> recover again.  Its not only boring to watch, but not very effective
> either.  They need to use their size and speed in the center of the
> ice too, making space for a rush, rushing 4 guys sometimes, and then
> someone staying at the net to create screens.  Joe did that last
> night, and Goal.
>
> There are other problems, of course, but last year their offensive
> output and PP covered a lot of their sins.  This year the rest of the
> NHL has figured out how to defend them.
>
> #1 and #2 defensemen are in short supply, of course.  The Sharks could
> pry McCabe from Toronto, but can't afford him next season.  The same
> with Redden, and he would cost a lot in trade value too.  They might
> be able to get Blake from LA, and he might be the best they can do.
> That's DW's part of the deal.  As for RW, he needs to get creative on
> offense.  He's shown he can adjust before.  Let's see if he can manage
> it this time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Response:

1) But, the Sharks defense is rated #2 in league, so as bad as it
looks, the defensive part of play isn't where the front-line problem
is. The offense, except at rare moments when they get either inspired
or mad, looks pitiful. I mean, college teams look better. There just
has to be a coaching element to this, or these guys all have 75 IQ's.
The Sharks play neither an aggressive Philly-kill-'em game nor a pass-
and-possess fluid "Detroit" game. They just mostly bat it around out
there. That's not nearly good enough against talented teams.

2) Yes, yes and more. They need to hold the puck and create
coordinated rushes. Make the other team stop them crossing the line;
this will draw penalties. Instead, we make it stupidly easy by
dumping to corner and rushing to bench. Then, have one-dimensional
attack with Joe standing there on sideboards. It's all too obvious
for words, but our coaches appear blind.

I am not for any personnel pickups until the staff evidences that they
can learn to play hockey. It would be a waste of money and draft
picks to get some rental player and put him in the current suicidal
system. The team's going nowhere near a Cup with this plan, so don't
waste effort on some marquee guy.

What they really need to do, and it's way overdue, is make a coaching
change.
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