avs still need two d-men

On 3 juil, 08:21, Freedom Elz <mediada... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 5:50 am, The Lurker <lurkingforartss... DeleteThis @picasso.org> wrote:
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> > hannan is a great pickup but they lose tough nosed klee. still two
> > d-men short of making things work properly.
>
> They can replace Klee in about 15 minutes.
>
> > picking up smyth is the future of the avs. smyth doesn't play great on
> > a team of notables as he showed in new york in his brief visit to the
> > isles.
>
> What notables were on that team?
>
> > but the biggest problem...still not enough good d-men! everyone saw
> > what anaheim could do with two norris winners.
>
> I say they need one more veteran defenseman a la Andy Sutton, I like
> the
> way Sauer played down the stretch ditto Finger, I'd like to see both
> become
> regulars.

I'd go after another defenseman to round out the corps, and a
goaltender with NHL experience (for the farm team), but I would let
the forwards be for a while. That way, Colorado would still have over
7 million dollars in cap room, which would allow them to welcome back
Forsberg if they so choose or eventually acquire another big name with
a big contract via a trade. There is no need for Giguère to cap
himself out already. As it stands, the third line will look something
like Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière which wouldn't be too shabby for a
third line, especially IF they get Arnason to shed 20 pounds.
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On Jul 3, 2:26 pm, broo... RemoveThis @videotron.ca wrote:
> On 3 juil, 08:21, Freedom Elz <mediada... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 3, 5:50 am, The Lurker <lurkingforartss... RemoveThis @picasso.org> wrote:
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> > > hannan is a great pickup but they lose tough nosed klee. still two
> > > d-men short of making things work properly.
>
> > They can replace Klee in about 15 minutes.
>
> > > picking up smyth is the future of the avs. smyth doesn't play great on
> > > a team of notables as he showed in new york in his brief visit to the
> > > isles.
>
> > What notables were on that team?
>
> > > but the biggest problem...still not enough good d-men! everyone saw
> > > what anaheim could do with two norris winners.
>
> > I say they need one more veteran defenseman a la Andy Sutton, I like
> > the
> > way Sauer played down the stretch ditto Finger, I'd like to see both
> > become
> > regulars.
>
> I'd go after another defenseman to round out the corps, and a
> goaltender with NHL experience (for the farm team), but I would let
> the forwards be for a while. That way, Colorado would still have over
> 7 million dollars in cap room, which would allow them to welcome back
> Forsberg if they so choose or eventually acquire another big name with
> a big contract via a trade. There is no need for Giguère to cap
> himself out already. As it stands, the third line will look something
> like Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière which wouldn't be too shabby for a
> third line, especially IF they get Arnason to shed 20 pounds.- Hide quoted text -

You see Brunette on the third line? He played wuth Sakic last year.

What do you see as the line combinations?
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On 3 juil, 15:44, Freedom Elz <mediada... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2:26 pm, broo... DeleteThis @videotron.ca wrote:
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> > On 3 juil, 08:21, Freedom Elz <mediada... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 3, 5:50 am, The Lurker <lurkingforartss... DeleteThis @picasso.org> wrote:
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> > > > hannan is a great pickup but they lose tough nosed klee. still two
> > > > d-men short of making things work properly.
>
> > > They can replace Klee in about 15 minutes.
>
> > > > picking up smyth is the future of the avs. smyth doesn't play great on
> > > > a team of notables as he showed in new york in his brief visit to the
> > > > isles.
>
> > > What notables were on that team?
>
> > > > but the biggest problem...still not enough good d-men! everyone saw
> > > > what anaheim could do with two norris winners.
>
> > > I say they need one more veteran defenseman a la Andy Sutton, I like
> > > the
> > > way Sauer played down the stretch ditto Finger, I'd like to see both
> > > become
> > > regulars.
>
> > I'd go after another defenseman to round out the corps, and a
> > goaltender with NHL experience (for the farm team), but I would let
> > the forwards be for a while. That way, Colorado would still have over
> > 7 million dollars in cap room, which would allow them to welcome back
> > Forsberg if they so choose or eventually acquire another big name with
> > a big contract via a trade. There is no need for Giguère to cap
> > himself out already. As it stands, the third line will look something
> > like Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière which wouldn't be too shabby for a
> > third line, especially IF they get Arnason to shed 20 pounds.- Hide quoted text -
>
> You see Brunette on the third line? He played wuth Sakic last year.
>
> What do you see as the line combinations?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

One would think that Smyth will be on the first line. This year,
Statsny was the second line left winger. Assuming that Forsberg
doesn't come back, either Statsny or Wolski will center the second
line. I don't see Wolski being very effective on the third line (and
especially not as a left winger), but Brunette can be. That's where
Brunette started with the Avalanche, and that's why I expect Smyth's
acquisition to seriously impact on Brunette's offensive production.
However, Colorado always has Brunette to replace Smyth whenever he
gets injured.


Smyth-Sakic-Svatos
Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk
Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière
Rookie-Richardson-Guite or McCormick or Rookie

I wouldn't be surprized to see someone like Hensick begin his
professional career as a 4th liner. And Richardson could center the
third line in place of Arnason. Assuming that he continues to develop,
Richardson made McLean expendable.

By the way, it might have been nice of Smyth to actually wear his
teeth when he met the Denver media. Hannan and him looked like 19th
century gold miners.
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On Jul 3, 4:16 pm, broo... RemoveThis @videotron.ca wrote:
> On 3 juil, 15:44, Freedom Elz <mediada... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 3, 2:26 pm, broo... RemoveThis @videotron.ca wrote:
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> > > On 3 juil, 08:21, Freedom Elz <mediada... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 3, 5:50 am, The Lurker <lurkingforartss... RemoveThis @picasso.org> wrote:
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> > > > > hannan is a great pickup but they lose tough nosed klee. still two
> > > > > d-men short of making things work properly.
>
> > > > They can replace Klee in about 15 minutes.
>
> > > > > picking up smyth is the future of the avs. smyth doesn't play great on
> > > > > a team of notables as he showed in new york in his brief visit to the
> > > > > isles.
>
> > > > What notables were on that team?
>
> > > > > but the biggest problem...still not enough good d-men! everyone saw
> > > > > what anaheim could do with two norris winners.
>
> > > > I say they need one more veteran defenseman a la Andy Sutton, I like
> > > > the
> > > > way Sauer played down the stretch ditto Finger, I'd like to see both
> > > > become
> > > > regulars.
>
> > > I'd go after another defenseman to round out the corps, and a
> > > goaltender with NHL experience (for the farm team), but I would let
> > > the forwards be for a while. That way, Colorado would still have over
> > > 7 million dollars in cap room, which would allow them to welcome back
> > > Forsberg if they so choose or eventually acquire another big name with
> > > a big contract via a trade. There is no need for Giguère to cap
> > > himself out already. As it stands, the third line will look something
> > > like Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière which wouldn't be too shabby for a
> > > third line, especially IF they get Arnason to shed 20 pounds.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > You see Brunette on the third line? He played wuth Sakic last year.
>
> > What do you see as the line combinations?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> One would think that Smyth will be on the first line. This year,
> Statsny was the second line left winger.


I'm not sure what you mean here, do you mean that you want Stastny to
play the wing this year?
Because last year Stastny centred Hejduk and Wlski and later Hejduk
and Mclean.



Assuming that Forsberg
> doesn't come back, either Statsny or Wolski will center the second
> line. I don't see Wolski being very effective on the third line (and
> especially not as a left winger), but Brunette can be. That's where
> Brunette started with the Avalanche, and that's why I expect Smyth's
> acquisition to seriously impact on Brunette's offensive production.
> However, Colorado always has Brunette to replace Smyth whenever he
> gets injured.
>
> Smyth-Sakic-Svatos

I'm not sure about Svatos being on the first line, I think its more
likely
that Brunette will play the off wing. I'm not sure where Svatos fits
in
with this team, I can see him being dealt.


> Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk

Right combination but Stastny will be the centreman, not Wolski.

> Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière

A possiblity or put Svatos in place of Brunette and move Lappy to the
other
wing.



> Rookie-Richardson-Guite or McCormick or Rookie


> I wouldn't be surprized to see someone like Hensick begin his
> professional career as a 4th liner. And Richardson could center the
> third line in place of Arnason. Assuming that he continues to develop,
> Richardson made McLean expendable.

I agree with you here.
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:26:32 -0700, broonzy.RemoveThis@videotron.ca wrote:

>There is no need for Giguère to cap
>himself out already.

Agreed. Flexibility is important - we don't know what opportunities
might arise.
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> Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk

Right combination but Stastny will be the centreman, not Wolski.


Exactly. Wolski is not even close to being defensively responsible enough
yet to be an NHL center. I hope he improves that part of his game,
otherwise, I'm not so sure they shouldn't use him as trade bait somewhere
down the road.
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On Jul 5, 2:48 pm, Chris <n....RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:24:51 -0600, "BobInBoulder"
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> >On Jul 3, 4:16 pm, broo....RemoveThis@videotron.ca wrote:
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> >> Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk
>
> >Right combination but Stastny will be the centreman, not Wolski.
>
> >Exactly. Wolski is not even close to being defensively responsible enough
> >yet to be an NHL center. I hope he improves that part of his game,
> >otherwise, I'm not so sure they shouldn't use him as trade bait somewhere
> >down the road.
>
> Where is this 'Wolski at center' thing coming from?
>
> Not only isn't he good enough defensively, his awareness isn't quite
> there yet either (he makes lousy decisions at the blue lines), and
> there is simply no reason whatsoever to move Stastny out from where he
> is.

I think Broonzy (mistakenly) believes that Stastny played Left Wing on
the second line
last year and not centre. As you know, there has been some
experimentation with Wolski
at centre but dude is clearly not ready to play that position on a
regular basis, he's better
off as a winger.

Personally, I see the lines going like this...

Smyth-Sakic- Brunette - Brunette plays the off-wing
Wolski-Stastny- Hejduk
Lappy- Arnason-Svatos
McCormick/Whoever-Richrdson-Guite
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On 4 juil, 09:29, Freedom Elz <mediada... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 4:16 pm, broo... RemoveThis @videotron.ca wrote:

> > > > I'd go after another defenseman to round out the corps, and a
> > > > goaltender with NHL experience (for the farm team), but I would let
> > > > the forwards be for a while. That way, Colorado would still have over
> > > > 7 million dollars in cap room, which would allow them to welcome back
> > > > Forsberg if they so choose or eventually acquire another big name with
> > > > a big contract via a trade. There is no need for Giguère to cap
> > > > himself out already. As it stands, the third line will look something
> > > > like Brunette-Arnason-Laperrière which wouldn't be too shabby for a
> > > > third line, especially IF they get Arnason to shed 20 pounds.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > You see Brunette on the third line? He played wuth Sakic last year.
>
> > > What do you see as the line combinations?
>
> > One would think that Smyth will be on the first line. This year,
> > Statsny was the second line left winger.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean here, do you mean that you want Stastny to
> play the wing this year?
> Because last year Stastny centred Hejduk and Wlski and later Hejduk
> and Mclean.

Statsny began last year on Wolski's left wing. But my general point is
rather that I don't see Wolski on a third line, but Brunette can play
very well there, and Quenneville also has the flexibility of
recombining his lines for a few shifts in certain game situations or
if Wolski doesn't show up on some nights. I would rather not break up
that second line, especially since Sakic managed to score 100 points
without playing much with Hejduk.

> Assuming that Forsberg
>
> > doesn't come back, either Statsny or Wolski will center the second
> > line. I don't see Wolski being very effective on the third line (and
> > especially not as a left winger), but Brunette can be. That's where
> > Brunette started with the Avalanche, and that's why I expect Smyth's
> > acquisition to seriously impact on Brunette's offensive production.
> > However, Colorado always has Brunette to replace Smyth whenever he
> > gets injured.
>
> > Smyth-Sakic-Svatos
>
> I'm not sure about Svatos being on the first line, I think its more
> likely
> that Brunette will play the off wing. I'm not sure where Svatos fits
> in
> with this team, I can see him being dealt.

Svatos had one bad year, it's not the end of the world. If he plays
like he did two years ago, he will belong on the first line, because
he's a sniper. So this will be a telling year for him since he could
be a very cheap 30-40-goal scorer. Has Brunette ever played on his off-
wing before? Moreover, he's too slow to compete with the high-end
teams that rely on speed. He was miserable against the Ducks in the
2006 playoffs, because he couldn't at all keep up with Pahlssen and
Niedermeyer. Also, it seems to me that speed is especially an issue in
the case of off-wing forwards, and particularly in the case of
scorers, because they can't very well place their bodies between the
opponent and the puck.

> > Rookie-Richardson-Guite or McCormick or Rookie
> > I wouldn't be surprized to see someone like Hensick begin his
> > professional career as a 4th liner. And Richardson could center the
> > third line in place of Arnason. Assuming that he continues to develop,
> > Richardson made McLean expendable.
>
> I agree with you here.

Richardson will be in his third year, so we should have a better idea
of the kind of NHLer he will be.
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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:24:51 -0600, "BobInBoulder"
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>> Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk
>
>Right combination but Stastny will be the centreman, not Wolski.
>
>
>Exactly. Wolski is not even close to being defensively responsible enough
>yet to be an NHL center. I hope he improves that part of his game,
>otherwise, I'm not so sure they shouldn't use him as trade bait somewhere
>down the road.

Where is this 'Wolski at center' thing coming from?

Not only isn't he good enough defensively, his awareness isn't quite
there yet either (he makes lousy decisions at the blue lines), and
there is simply no reason whatsoever to move Stastny out from where he
is.

Chris
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>> Not only isn't he good enough defensively, his awareness isn't quite
>> there yet either (he makes lousy decisions at the blue lines), and
>> there is simply no reason whatsoever to move Stastny out from where he
>> is.
>
>I think Broonzy (mistakenly) believes that Stastny played Left Wing on
>the second line
>last year and not centre. As you know, there has been some
>experimentation with Wolski
>at centre but dude is clearly not ready to play that position on a
>regular basis, he's better
>off as a winger.
>
>Personally, I see the lines going like this...
>
>Smyth-Sakic- Brunette - Brunette plays the off-wing
>Wolski-Stastny- Hejduk
>Lappy- Arnason-Svatos
>McCormick/Whoever-Richrdson-Guite

I don't like Smyth and Brunette on the same line. They're both
similar players, and they're both slow. Need some quickness with
Sakic.

So, I'd go something like this:

Wolski-Sakic-Brunette
Smyth-Stastny-Heduk (feel free to swap Smyth and Brunette, or Wolski
and Hejduk)
???-Arnason-Svatos
Guite-Richardson-Laperriere

That ??? could be Hlinka (which could make that line too soft and
small) or Forsberg or some other late addidion.

Chris
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Freedom Elz wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2:48 pm, Chris <n... DeleteThis @goaway.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:24:51 -0600, "BobInBoulder"
>>
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>> <b... DeleteThis @noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
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>>> "Freedom Elz" <mediada... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Jul 3, 4:16 pm, broo... DeleteThis @videotron.ca wrote:
>>>> Statsny-Wolski-Hejduk
>>> Right combination but Stastny will be the centreman, not Wolski.
>>> Exactly. Wolski is not even close to being defensively responsible enough
>>> yet to be an NHL center. I hope he improves that part of his game,
>>> otherwise, I'm not so sure they shouldn't use him as trade bait somewhere
>>> down the road.
>> Where is this 'Wolski at center' thing coming from?
>>
>> Not only isn't he good enough defensively, his awareness isn't quite
>> there yet either (he makes lousy decisions at the blue lines), and
>> there is simply no reason whatsoever to move Stastny out from where he
>> is.
>
> I think Broonzy (mistakenly) believes that Stastny played Left Wing on
> the second line
> last year and not centre. As you know, there has been some
> experimentation with Wolski
> at centre but dude is clearly not ready to play that position on a
> regular basis, he's better
> off as a winger.

Wolski just is a wing now. Kinda like Tanguay is. It's not exactly
unheard of for a stud center prospect to move to wing in the NHL, and it
isn't even about not being able to play the position in the NHL.

And unlike others here, I don't see how defense is a prerequisite for
being able to play center. There are plenty of centers in this league
who have never seen their own end of the rink. Gretzky wasn't exactly a
Selke front-runner, and I think most people would consider him at least
mildly effective as a center.

Wolski is just a wing now. He might play center in a pinch, and he might
very well end up being good at it and sticking. It would surprise me if
that ever happened though. He's become a wing, and that's not a negative.

>
> Personally, I see the lines going like this...
>
> Smyth-Sakic- Brunette - Brunette plays the off-wing
> Wolski-Stastny- Hejduk
> Lappy- Arnason-Svatos
> McCormick/Whoever-Richrdson-Guite

I never really understood why people were so upset that Arnason
re-signed. I was indifferent to the move. But now I kind of see it.
Arnason shouldn't center the third line, Richardson should. Either that,
or move Lappy down to the 4th line. Richardson is too good to be a 4th
liner.

-Thomas
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:39:03 -0400, Thomas <wharry.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Sakic is the first line center. Stastny is the second line center.
>Arnason is the third line center. Unless someone wants Wolski to center
>the fourth line, I don't see where he'd be unseating someone to play center.

It seems to me that there are players who might have what it takes to
play on one of the top lines, but are unsuited for being relied upon
to do 3rd or 4th line duties. I may be all wet with this idea.

Wolski is close to being here.
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On 6 juil, 01:44, Thomas <wha....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wolski just is a wing now. Kinda like Tanguay is. It's not exactly
> unheard of for a stud center prospect to move to wing in the NHL, and it
> isn't even about not being able to play the position in the NHL.
>
> And unlike others here, I don't see how defense is a prerequisite for
> being able to play center. There are plenty of centers in this league
> who have never seen their own end of the rink. Gretzky wasn't exactly a
> Selke front-runner, and I think most people would consider him at least
> mildly effective as a center.
>
> Wolski is just a wing now. He might play center in a pinch, and he might
> very well end up being good at it and sticking. It would surprise me if
> that ever happened though. He's become a wing, and that's not a negative.

The difference between Tanguay and Wolski is that the former was
drafted as a center while Wolski was a winger all along. Only in the
2006 playoffs did Quenneville begin to use him as a center. He had
played on Turgeon's wing during the regular season. The thing about
him though is that as a winger, he makes his best plays when he skates
to the center of the ice as opposed to a hardcore corridor winger like
Smyth.

> > Personally, I see the lines going like this...
>
> > Smyth-Sakic- Brunette - Brunette plays the off-wing
> > Wolski-Stastny- Hejduk
> > Lappy- Arnason-Svatos
> > McCormick/Whoever-Richrdson-Guite
>
> I never really understood why people were so upset that Arnason
> re-signed. I was indifferent to the move. But now I kind of see it.
> Arnason shouldn't center the third line, Richardson should. Either that,
> or move Lappy down to the 4th line. Richardson is too good to be a 4th
> liner.

Richardson had way too few assists last year to demonstrate that he
can be a playmaker in the NHL. That's one aspect of his game that he
has yet to greatly improve. Also, he can play on the wing. Arnason
nevertheless had 49 points and he can move up to the second line in
case of injuries a lot better than Richardson. He's better than a
fourth line center, but not quite good enough to be a second line
center.
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