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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:35:43 -0400, xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
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>>The top three scorers for each team breaks down this way:
>>
>>8 team's top scorers were all Non-Canasian
>>10 team's two out of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>6 team's one our of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>6 team's had no Non-Candians among it's top three scorers.
>>
>>Pawn's team's had only one Canadian among the top three along with
>>having a Non-Canadian Captain as the leading scorer.
>>Grand Mal's team's three top scorers were all Non-Canadian which
>>included the Non-Canadian Captain. At least four out of the six
>>Canadian teams have Non-Canadian Captains, Maybe more since I don't
>>know who Edmonton's Captain is.

You overlooked the most important one.

Conn Smythe trophy winner: Canadian.

Please don't force me to agree with Pawn on something.
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:35:43 -0400, xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>The top three scorers for each team breaks down this way:
>>
>>8 team's top scorers were all Non-Canasian
>>10 team's two out of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>6 team's one our of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>6 team's had no Non-Candians among it's top three scorers.
>>
>>Pawn's team's had only one Canadian among the top three along with
>>having a Non-Canadian Captain as the leading scorer.
>>Grand Mal's team's three top scorers were all Non-Canadian which
>>included the Non-Canadian Captain. At least four out of the six
>>Canadian teams have Non-Canadian Captains, Maybe more since I don't
>>know who Edmonton's Captain is.

"There's lies, damn lies, and statistics."
"Statistics are creative mathematics."

World Championships
Men- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
Women-Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
Juniors-Canada-gold-undefeated in tournament

Junior 'Super-series' vs. Russia- Canada undefeated in tournament

Olympics '06
Women- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
Men- Canada- nowhere, blew up totally. About the only team below Canada was
the US.
But Canada did win all the World Championships that year.
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"Bushay" wrote in message

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> "Grande Mal" wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>> You may want to squeeze that stick of yours a little tighter as it seems
>>> your grip has slowly been loosening over the past years.
>>
>>
>> World Championships
>> Men- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>> Women-Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>> Juniors-Canada-gold-undefeated in tournament
>>
>> Uh, maybe you mean the goal differential has been slipping?
>
>
> You seem to continue to talk about Women and Childrens hockey while were
> referring to the NHL. To which your ,again, clearly losing your grip.

No, you don't. You guys move the goalposts back and forth like a panhandler
with a hat, working the crowd.
The subject is Canada's domination of hockey. I don't care how many
convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can produce,
the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey players
in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
Canadian players are consistantly the best.
Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to be
kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
isn't nearly as good as he says he is.
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:30:23 -0400, "Bushay"
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>>
>> World Championships
>> Men- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>> Women-Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>> Juniors-Canada-gold-undefeated in tournament
>>
>> Uh, maybe you mean the goal differential has been slipping?
>
>
>You seem to continue to talk about Women and Childrens hockey while were
>referring to the NHL. To which your ,again, clearly losing your grip.
>
Yes they certainly keep on grasping at straws.
>
>
>
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:44:44 GMT, "Grande Mal"
wrote:

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>"Bushay" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "Grande Mal" wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may want to squeeze that stick of yours a little tighter as it seems
>>>> your grip has slowly been loosening over the past years.
>>>
>>>
>>> World Championships
>>> Men- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>>> Women-Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>>> Juniors-Canada-gold-undefeated in tournament
>>>
>>> Uh, maybe you mean the goal differential has been slipping?
>>
>>
>> You seem to continue to talk about Women and Childrens hockey while were
>> referring to the NHL. To which your ,again, clearly losing your grip.
>
>No, you don't. You guys move the goalposts back and forth like a panhandler
>with a hat, working the crowd.
The only one's that are moving things are you two. First you Leaf
buddy points to the top scorers using one year as if it was
representative which clearly wasn't.
>The subject is Canada's domination of hockey.

IIRC it was Canadian domination of the NHL. If it is as you claimed
then come up with the quotes with google ids.

> I don't care how many
>convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can produce,
>the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
>stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey players
>in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
>Canadian players are consistantly the best.
>Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
>competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to be
>kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
>isn't nearly as good as he says he is.

Ah, now you've bring the Americans into it. In case you aren't aware
of it hockey is #4 in the USA at most. That simply means that most of
the best athletes in USA don't play hockey.
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xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:55:48 GMT, "Grande Mal"
> wrote:
>
>> "pawn" wrote in message
>>
>>> xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>> The top three scorers for each team breaks down this way:
>>>>
>>>> 8 team's top scorers were all Non-Canasian
>>>> 10 team's two out of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>>> 6 team's one our of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>>> 6 team's had no Non-Candians among it's top three scorers.
>>> Without checking your numbers, this means even in the stat you finally
>>> found to back your argument, 44% of the league's top scorers are Canadian.
>
> That's right.

Weird how the rest of that paragraph got omitted.
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xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:44:44 GMT, "Grande Mal"
> The only one's that are moving things are you two. First you Leaf
> buddy points to the top scorers using one year as if it was
> representative which clearly wasn't.

First, your entire argument hinges on a decline in Canadian talent, so I
think it's completely appropriate to show the latest numbers. Second,
how about we average the last 10 seasons?

2006-2007: 8 of top 10 Canadian
2005-2006: 6 of 10
2003-2004: 4 of 10
2002-2003: 5 of 10
2001-2002: 5 of 10

56% average of top scorers were Canadian. Pretty good for a bunch of
3rd and 4th liners.

>> The subject is Canada's domination of hockey.
>
> IIRC it was Canadian domination of the NHL. If it is as you claimed
> then come up with the quotes with google ids.

It was actually originally Canadian domination of Stanley Cup winners,
which nobody on their right mind would argue (although you did). Say,
why don't you post your European captain stats wrt Stanley Cup winners?
LOL!

>
>> I don't care how many
>> convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can produce,
>> the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
>> stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey players
>> in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
>> Canadian players are consistantly the best.
>> Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
>> competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to be
>> kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
>> isn't nearly as good as he says he is.
>
> Ah, now you've bring the Americans into it. In case you aren't aware
> of it hockey is #4 in the USA at most. That simply means that most of
> the best athletes in USA don't play hockey.

U.S. population in states that have a significant hockey following
(there are probably more, but these can't be argued):

Alaska 663,661
Colorado 4,665,177
Massachusetts 6,398,743
Michigan 10,120,860
Minnesota 5,132,799
New York 19,254,630
Pennsylvania 12,429,616
--------------------------
Total: 58.9M

Canada's entire population, assuming we all fit the stereotype you
probably assume: 33M
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xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:30:23 -0400, "Bushay"
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> World Championships
>>> Men- Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>>> Women-Canada- gold- undefeated in tournament
>>> Juniors-Canada-gold-undefeated in tournament
>>>
>>> Uh, maybe you mean the goal differential has been slipping?
>>
>> You seem to continue to talk about Women and Childrens hockey while were
>> referring to the NHL. To which your ,again, clearly losing your grip.
>>
> Yes they certainly keep on grasping at straws.

Children? You don't think our recent domination at the World Junior
level is a significant indicator of Canada's present and foreseeable
domination of hockey? Have you ever watched a World Junior tournament?
It's a who's who of future NHLers.
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> On 2007-09-10, pawn wrote:

> Canadians have hockey, curling, and that funny bowling with the tiny
> balls and pins. No wonder all the best athletes choose hockey, and I'm
> glad of it. Keep sending them down here to the US so that the few of us
> that appreciate a real sport can continue to enjoy their talent.

I guess that's why we've produced NBA and MLB MVP's over the
past two seasons. We have lots of sports to choose from up here. In fact,
enrollment in soccer
has been higher than enrollment in hockey for quite some time up here due to
the cost factor.
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:44:44 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>
>> I don't care how many
>>convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can
>>produce,
>>the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
>>stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey
>>players
>>in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
>>Canadian players are consistantly the best.
>>Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
>>competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to be
>>kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
>>isn't nearly as good as he says he is.
>
> Ah, now you've bring the Americans into it. In case you aren't aware
> of it hockey is #4 in the USA at most. That simply means that most of
> the best athletes in USA don't play hockey.

Oh yeah, Baseball is Americas Pastime. Okay, let's take a look...
Well, an American team wins every World Series but it's only called that
because the tournament was originally sponsored by the 'New York World'
newspaper, right? So there hasn't been real international competition until
the first Baseball World Classic. If I recall right, the US lost their first
game to Canada and got bounced in the second round- out of the medals. Japan
won the gold over Cuba- a country of about 11 million people and zero
professional ballplayers. Sorry, no joy for ya here.
How about basketball? The last international tournament was the FIBA World
Championship in '06. A quick google shows the US took the bronze behind
Spain and Greece so that's a bit better- nothing to brag about but better
than empty hands.
Football? No-one else in the world plays NFL football barring that
development league in Europe (do they still play there?) so there's nothing
to talk about there.
Hockey? We've been there, lets quietly close that door.
I know! NASCAR! You guys rule at NASCAR! No-one in the world can turn left
like a well-trained American. And for those that can't get the hang of
turning left, there's drag racing- a short run down a straight track. No-one
does that better than Americans, either.
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>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:44:44 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>>
>>> I don't care how many
>>>convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can
>>>produce,
>>>the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
>>>stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey
>>>players
>>>in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
>>>Canadian players are consistantly the best.
>>>Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
>>>competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to
>>>be
>>>kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
>>>isn't nearly as good as he says he is.
>>
>> Ah, now you've bring the Americans into it. In case you aren't aware
>> of it hockey is #4 in the USA at most. That simply means that most of
>> the best athletes in USA don't play hockey.
>
> Oh yeah, Baseball is Americas Pastime. Okay, let's take a look...
> Well, an American team wins every World Series but it's only called that
> because the tournament was originally sponsored by the 'New York World'
> newspaper, right? So there hasn't been real international competition
> until the first Baseball World Classic. If I recall right, the US lost
> their first game to Canada and got bounced in the second round- out of the
> medals. Japan won the gold over Cuba- a country of about 11 million people
> and zero professional ballplayers. Sorry, no joy for ya here.

Not only that, the US didn't qualify for the olympics the last time out
either.

> How about basketball? The last international tournament was the FIBA World
> Championship in '06. A quick google shows the US took the bronze behind
> Spain and Greece so that's a bit better- nothing to brag about but better
> than empty hands.

Not to mention we don't give two shits about that sport (even though we
invented it)
and have still produced an MVP in it twice. Any guesses as to how many
Americans have
won the Hart trophy?


> Football? No-one else in the world plays NFL football barring that
> development league in Europe (do they still play there?) so there's
> nothing to talk about there.

The league folded this year.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:29:25 -0400, pawn wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:55:48 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "pawn" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>> The top three scorers for each team breaks down this way:
>>>>>
>>>>> 8 team's top scorers were all Non-Canasian
>>>>> 10 team's two out of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>>>> 6 team's one our of three top scorers were Non-Canadian
>>>>> 6 team's had no Non-Candians among it's top three scorers.
>>>> Without checking your numbers, this means even in the stat you finally
>>>> found to back your argument, 44% of the league's top scorers are Canadian.
>>
>> That's right.
>
>Weird how the rest of that paragraph got omitted.
If it is weird you need to ask yourself why it was already edited
out.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:46:28 -0400, pawn wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:44:44 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>> The only one's that are moving things are you two. First you Leaf
>> buddy points to the top scorers using one year as if it was
>> representative which clearly wasn't.
>
>First, your entire argument hinges on a decline in Canadian talent, so I
>think it's completely appropriate to show the latest numbers. Second,
>how about we average the last 10 seasons?
>
>2006-2007: 8 of top 10 Canadian
>2005-2006: 6 of 10
>2003-2004: 4 of 10
>2002-2003: 5 of 10
>2001-2002: 5 of 10

Oh now we are changing the standard again I see.
>
>56% average of top scorers were Canadian. Pretty good for a bunch of
>3rd and 4th liners.
>
>>> The subject is Canada's domination of hockey.
>>
>> IIRC it was Canadian domination of the NHL. If it is as you claimed
>> then come up with the quotes with google ids.
>
>It was actually originally Canadian domination of Stanley Cup winners,
>which nobody on their right mind would argue (although you did). Say,
>why don't you post your European captain stats wrt Stanley Cup winners?
> LOL!
I did? Then you should have no problems coming up with the quotes with
google ids. I'll be waiting but won't be holding my breathe,
>
>>
>>> I don't care how many
>>> convoluted pseudo-stats or how much underhand backspin you guys can produce,
>>> the fact is very simple- Canada's domination of hockey is, if anything,
>>> stronger today than it's ever been. In the NHL, all the best hockey players
>>> in the world are tossed into a bag, shaken up and dumped onto the ice.
>>> Canadian players are consistantly the best.
Points scored are obscure stats now?
>>> Ya know, given the abysmal recent record of Americans in international
>>> competition lately, it's a little petulant, don't you think, for you to be
>>> kicking your heels into the ground and wailing that the guy who beat you
>>> isn't nearly as good as he says he is.
>>
>> Ah, now you've bring the Americans into it. In case you aren't aware
>> of it hockey is #4 in the USA at most. That simply means that most of
>> the best athletes in USA don't play hockey.
>
>U.S. population in states that have a significant hockey following
>(there are probably more, but these can't be argued):
>
>Alaska 663,661
>Colorado 4,665,177
>Massachusetts 6,398,743
>Michigan 10,120,860
>Minnesota 5,132,799
>New York 19,254,630
>Pennsylvania 12,429,616
>--------------------------
>Total: 58.9M
>
>Canada's entire population, assuming we all fit the stereotype you
>probably assume: 33M

So now you bringing Americans into the discussion to boost your ego.
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