Where's the discussion?

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:15:00 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:37:39 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred RemoveThis @tifle.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> <xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:40:06 -0400, "Bushay" <bushay44 RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The defense is essentially the same least Markov who might be
>>>> back. BTW you don't think Schneider is a defensive wiz do you, Elz?
>>>
>>> I doubt markov will be back. As for Schnieder being a whiz, no, but he was
>>> certainly more of a whiz defensively than Rafalski.
>>>
>> and why don't you think Markov won't be back?
>
>Well, there is the fact that Ken Holland said he's not going to re-sign
>Markov.
>
>I mean, I don't put much stock in anything that dipshit says, but if he
>says he's not after Markov, and they haven't signed Markov at this
>point, and they are bringing in Sopel...I'd have to say that it's
>looking like they aren't after Markov. Call me crazy.
>
That was when Markov was asking $3 million. Seeing that training camps
are soon approaching, Markov is unsigned, I suspect his asking price
will drop to the $2.5 that Holland would be willing to pay.
>-Thomas
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"Bushay" <bushay44 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
> Oh ....WHATEVERRRRRRRRRR
>
> Someone help me here. I'm having a hard time finding where he deleted
> Schneider's name for Rafalski's. At least in his original answer that is.

Hey, Boucher, I heard a rumour Brett Sopel was headed your way. The
rumour-monger said he was going to make the Wings' 'D' tougher.
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"Thomas" <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote in message
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> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:37:39 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred.TakeThisOut@tifle.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> <xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:sa18e3lelich2v5nobqum0stt254gl09q8@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:40:06 -0400, "Bushay" <bushay44.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The defense is essentially the same least Markov who might be
>>>> back. BTW you don't think Schneider is a defensive wiz do you, Elz?
>>>
>>> I doubt markov will be back. As for Schnieder being a whiz, no, but he
>>> was
>>> certainly more of a whiz defensively than Rafalski.
>> and why don't you think Markov won't be back?
>
> Well, there is the fact that Ken Holland said he's not going to re-sign
> Markov.
>
> I mean, I don't put much stock in anything that dipshit says, but if he
> says he's not after Markov, and they haven't signed Markov at this point,
> and they are bringing in Sopel...I'd have to say that it's looking like
> they aren't after Markov. Call me crazy.
>
> -Thomas

Why, that's just crazy talk!
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xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:15:00 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>
>> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:37:39 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred.TakeThisOut@tifle.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:sa18e3lelich2v5nobqum0stt254gl09q8@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:40:06 -0400, "Bushay" <bushay44.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> The defense is essentially the same least Markov who might be
>>>>> back. BTW you don't think Schneider is a defensive wiz do you, Elz?
>>>> I doubt markov will be back. As for Schnieder being a whiz, no, but he was
>>>> certainly more of a whiz defensively than Rafalski.
>>>>
>>> and why don't you think Markov won't be back?
>> Well, there is the fact that Ken Holland said he's not going to re-sign
>> Markov.
>>
>> I mean, I don't put much stock in anything that dipshit says, but if he
>> says he's not after Markov, and they haven't signed Markov at this
>> point, and they are bringing in Sopel...I'd have to say that it's
>> looking like they aren't after Markov. Call me crazy.
>>
> That was when Markov was asking $3 million. Seeing that training camps
> are soon approaching, Markov is unsigned, I suspect his asking price
> will drop to the $2.5 that Holland would be willing to pay.

Wings can't afford $2.5m.

And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.

With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
even if they could afford him.

Markov is gone. Everyone knew this months ago.

-Thomas
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:43 -0400, Thomas <noneman.DeleteThis@none.man> wrote:


>
>Wings can't afford $2.5m.
Seeing that they are $5 million under the cap yes they can.
>
>And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
>defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.
The only constant on last year's second line that is gone is Lang who
well easily be replaced by Filuppla. Calder and Jason Williams but
they too are easily replaced.
>
>With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
>even if they could afford him.
Unless you think being an unsigned training camp invitee means you on
the final team than yes they've been added.
>
>Markov is gone. Everyone knew this months ago.
>
>-Thomas
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xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:43 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>
>
>> Wings can't afford $2.5m.
> Seeing that they are $5 million under the cap yes they can.

They aren't $5m under the cap.

>> And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
>> defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.
> The only constant on last year's second line that is gone is Lang who
> well easily be replaced by Filuppla.

Filppula is not a 2nd line-caliber player.

> Calder and Jason Williams but
> they too are easily replaced.

Yeah, but you have to have something to replace them with. The Wings don't.

>> With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
>> even if they could afford him.
> Unless you think being an unsigned training camp invitee means you on
> the final team than yes they've been added.

Everything I have heard is that Sopel is going to have to play himself
off the team. Cullimore, same thing.

One of them could end up in Grand Rapids, but unless Kindl knocks some
socks off, both of them are most likely going to be Wings.

Regardless, Markov is gone.

-Thomas
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:14:29 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:43 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wings can't afford $2.5m.
>> Seeing that they are $5 million under the cap yes they can.
>
>They aren't $5m under the cap.
>
>>> And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
>>> defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.
>> The only constant on last year's second line that is gone is Lang who
>> well easily be replaced by Filuppla.
>
>Filppula is not a 2nd line-caliber player.
>
>> Calder and Jason Williams but
>> they too are easily replaced.
>
>Yeah, but you have to have something to replace them with. The Wings don't.
Yes they do.
>
>>> With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
>>> even if they could afford him.
>> Unless you think being an unsigned training camp invitee means you on
>> the final team than yes they've been added.
>
>Everything I have heard is that Sopel is going to have to play himself
>off the team. Cullimore, same thing.
Oh than it must be true.
>
>One of them could end up in Grand Rapids, but unless Kindl knocks some
>socks off, both of them are most likely going to be Wings.
>
>Regardless, Markov is gone.
>
>-Thomas
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"Thomas" <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote in message
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> xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:43 -0400, Thomas <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wings can't afford $2.5m.
>> Seeing that they are $5 million under the cap yes they can.
>
> They aren't $5m under the cap.
>
>>> And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
>>> defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.
>> The only constant on last year's second line that is gone is Lang who
>> well easily be replaced by Filuppla.
>
> Filppula is not a 2nd line-caliber player.


From Dan Cleary:

"When I look at our team and the depth that we have, obviously management
believes we can do it from within," Cleary said. "Filppula-great young
talent. Hudler, Franzen all have the ability to make up the second line."

Draper agreed.

"You look at Filppula; you look at the year Clears had last year," Draper
said. "From the sounds of it, Pav and Hank are each going to play center. So
we can still have a balance of some good lines."


>
>> Calder and Jason Williams but
>> they too are easily replaced.
>
> Yeah, but you have to have something to replace them with. The Wings
> don't.
>
>>> With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
>>> even if they could afford him.
>> Unless you think being an unsigned training camp invitee means you on
>> the final team than yes they've been added.
>
> Everything I have heard is that Sopel is going to have to play himself off
> the team. Cullimore, same thing.
>
> One of them could end up in Grand Rapids, but unless Kindl knocks some
> socks off, both of them are most likely going to be Wings.
>
> Regardless, Markov is gone.
>
> -Thomas
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:44:11 -0400, "Bushay" <bushay44 RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Thomas" <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote in message
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>> xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:13:43 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wings can't afford $2.5m.
>>> Seeing that they are $5 million under the cap yes they can.
>>
>> They aren't $5m under the cap.
>>
>>>> And even if they could, they would be fools to throw even more money at
>>>> defensemen when they still don't have a 2nd line of any sort.
>>> The only constant on last year's second line that is gone is Lang who
>>> well easily be replaced by Filuppla.
>>
>> Filppula is not a 2nd line-caliber player.
>
>
>From Dan Cleary:
>
> "When I look at our team and the depth that we have, obviously management
>believes we can do it from within," Cleary said. "Filppula-great young
>talent. Hudler, Franzen all have the ability to make up the second line."
>
> Draper agreed.
>
> "You look at Filppula; you look at the year Clears had last year," Draper
>said. "From the sounds of it, Pav and Hank are each going to play center. So
>we can still have a balance of some good lines."

What would those two know considering they are third/fourth line
pluggers from Europe ;>))))))))))))
>
>
>>
>>> Calder and Jason Williams but
>>> they too are easily replaced.
>>
>> Yeah, but you have to have something to replace them with. The Wings
>> don't.
>>
>>>> With Sopel and now Cullimore added, there is nowhere for Markov to play,
>>>> even if they could afford him.
>>> Unless you think being an unsigned training camp invitee means you on
>>> the final team than yes they've been added.
>>
>> Everything I have heard is that Sopel is going to have to play himself off
>> the team. Cullimore, same thing.
>>
>> One of them could end up in Grand Rapids, but unless Kindl knocks some
>> socks off, both of them are most likely going to be Wings.
>>
>> Regardless, Markov is gone.
>>
>> -Thomas
>
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