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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:48 am
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I'm an Oilers fan, along with several of my friends and we were
talking about the recent high amount of bandwagon jumping going on. I
can't cheer for Calgary, here's why. Part of me wants to cheer for
the Canadian and small market aspect but these reasons keep nagging at
me,
1) I find it difficult that people in Calgary would be travelling up
to Edmonton and/or Whyte Ave to celebrate if the Oilers were to have a
cup run like this in these small market times.
2) The Flames play a trapping defensive style of hockey most of the
time and this isn't really the type of hockey I like to see. It has
become part of a trend last year too when teams like Anaheim and
Minnesota made it far.
3) 1989 was different. That Flames team was truly the top team in the
league. It is hard to see the Flames do so well while I think the
Oilers could have upset some teams in this wildly unpredictable
playoffs. True, the Oilers tanked many games earlier in the season
(especially during that horrible stretch after the Heritage Classic)
but still...I think we could have done great, could have possibly set
up a great Flames-Oilers conference final. That would have been
something.
4) I was at that fateful game in 2002 when the Oilers were eliminated
from playoff contention after the Flames beat us 2-1. I recall the
Flames were very happy with this...yet few people seem to remember.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:09 pm
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it's funny you mention the last game of the year when Calgary knocked us out
I was just thinking of that myself the other day, And who was the player who
scored but none other than Jerome Iginla and he was happy wasn't he
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> I'm an Oilers fan, along with several of my friends and we were
> talking about the recent high amount of bandwagon jumping going on. I
> can't cheer for Calgary, here's why. Part of me wants to cheer for
> the Canadian and small market aspect but these reasons keep nagging at
> me,
>
> 1) I find it difficult that people in Calgary would be travelling up
> to Edmonton and/or Whyte Ave to celebrate if the Oilers were to have a
> cup run like this in these small market times.
>
> 2) The Flames play a trapping defensive style of hockey most of the
> time and this isn't really the type of hockey I like to see. It has
> become part of a trend last year too when teams like Anaheim and
> Minnesota made it far.
>
> 3) 1989 was different. That Flames team was truly the top team in the
> league. It is hard to see the Flames do so well while I think the
> Oilers could have upset some teams in this wildly unpredictable
> playoffs. True, the Oilers tanked many games earlier in the season
> (especially during that horrible stretch after the Heritage Classic)
> but still...I think we could have done great, could have possibly set
> up a great Flames-Oilers conference final. That would have been
> something.
>
> 4) I was at that fateful game in 2002 when the Oilers were eliminated
> from playoff contention after the Flames beat us 2-1. I recall the
> Flames were very happy with this...yet few people seem to remember.
>
> Maybe I can be convinced otherwise? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:14 pm
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> > True, the Oilers tanked many games earlier in the season
> > > (especially during that horrible stretch after the Heritage Classic)
> > > but still...I think we could have done great,
> >
> > dare to dream, Arnold .... dare to dream. This team (Oil) was going
> > nowhere, and guite frankly, IS going nowhere so long as we have the old
> boys
> > club in charge.
>
> Hmmmmm....managing to achieve an above .500 in each year as a coach
> DESPITE having to deal with losses of talent every year (Weight, Carter,
> etc, etc) and being in the more competitive of the 2 conferences not to
> mention being in one of the tougher divisions in the NHL (I wonder how the
> team could have done if they also got to play in the Southeast div like the
> Lightning did) isn't good enough, huh? Keep in mind as well that the Oilers
> are one of the VERY FEW teams left that don't play the NZT or some variation
> thereof.
That's a good point. But I still agree that we have to maybe make a
change in coaching and get rid of MacT and Simpson. If we hired
someone who wasn't part of the Oilers family like a Joel Quenneville,
it might take us to the next level.
But I agree that Lowe has done a good job with losses of talent every
year. The real test for Calgary is to not fall into the trap of
Carolina and Anaheim did and completely tank it next season. Let's
face it, every team will be gunning for the Flames next year.
Carolina had a similar team to the Flames, they were "young", had
"great leadership" and "talented coaching" too. And as for Kiprusoff,
it will be unlikely that he will reproduce another great season like
this one. Giguere, a goalie who was expected to be good for a while
and slowly became a good goalie, fell pretty hard. It will be much
tougher for Kiprusoff, a 3rd string goalie out of nowhere to do the
same. If he does though, then he will truly be a #1 starter and a
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:41 am
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You're about as dumb as that "Hmmm" retard I was flaming a while back.
> The Flames play the trap more aggressively and with more speed, but they
> still play the trap. 10-7 in total shots after 2 periods in a game and
> you're arguing this? LOL
I certainly am ! Some day when you reach the maturity level I'm looking
for in a fellow ng'er, we could discuss this - but given your penchant to
beak first, I ain't real interested.
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> No, as I pointed out to Mario, it was special teams that did in the
Oilers
> last year, not defense.
Please !!!! It was Salo the seive that did us in, no other way of slicing
that loaf.
>
> Hmmmmm....managing to achieve an above .500 in each year as a coach
> DESPITE having to deal with losses of talent every year (Weight, Carter,
> etc, etc) and being in the more competitive of the 2 conferences not to
> mention being in one of the tougher divisions in the NHL (I wonder how
the
> team could have done if they also got to play in the Southeast div like
the
> Lightning did) isn't good enough, huh?
uh ............... what's your point ??
Keep in mind as well that the Oilers
> are one of the VERY FEW teams left that don't play the NZT or some
variation
> thereof.
So what ?? We (Oil) don't play ANY identifiable system.
>
> Rod, you're a guy that actually talks to HL as if you take his garbage
> seriously- that alone discredits you as an intelligent human being.
You're entitled to your opinion. And I DO 'consider some of HL's
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:44 pm
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> > Hmmmmm....managing to achieve an above .500 in each year as a coach
> > DESPITE having to deal with losses of talent every year (Weight, Carter,
> > etc, etc) and being in the more competitive of the 2 conferences not to
> > mention being in one of the tougher divisions in the NHL (I wonder how
> the
> > team could have done if they also got to play in the Southeast div like
> the
> > Lightning did) isn't good enough, huh?
>
> uh ............... what's your point ??
His point is that it is a response to your point about the Oilers not
going anywhere as long as the "old boys" are in charge. That is true
to some extent but the Oilers have had some good success with "old
boys" e.g. old Oilers like Kevin Lowe in charge as evidenced by his
point that they have gotten close to 90 points the last 4 seasons with
losses of talent every year. That is a difficult task in this day
with rising salaries and all for small market teams.
I agree that they do need to change their coaching though. Hiring
someone like Sutter outside of the organization will obviously bring
the Oilers to the next level like Sutter has done with Calgary.
However, it remains to be seen if Calgary will be able to keep up this
success next season. I'm not saying making the finals every year but
at least respectability. If they don't fall like Anaheim or Carolina
then this year will not be a fluke.
And to the point of if the Oilers were in a division like Tampa Bay
(or Calgary or any the teams in the northwest for that matter), they'd
have even more points. The Oilers post trading deadline could have
done some major damage in the playoffs I believe. 25 of a possible 32
points with only one loss after making the changes (Nedved and Salo).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:47 pm
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"Rod Gramlich" <rod.gramlich RemoveThis @ualberta.ca> wrote in message
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> I certainly am ! Some day when you reach the maturity level I'm looking
> for in a fellow ng'er, we could discuss this - but given your penchant to
> beak first, I ain't real interested.
Translation: I'm out of my depth. That's fine- it wasn't my maturity, but
your intelligence that was in question here, Rod. If this is your only
response to my argument, then I pity you.
> uh ............... what's your point ??
The point is that "fans" like you wouldn't have the ridiculous
expectations that you do
if the Oilers were near the bottom of the league. MacT has done an
excellent job as a coach so far considering that he doesn't want the team to
start playing a mind-numbingly boring style of hockey in order to succeed.
And despite their problems this past year, they only missed out on the
playoffs by 2 points. The bad thing about MacT's ability to keep this team
competitive is that the less-intelligent fans in the city then start
thinking that they should be a Cup contender when in fact there are still a
few pieces missing not the least of which is a level economic playing field.
2 teams with smaller payrolls did make the Cup finals this year, but that's
only the exception which proves the rule.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:52 am
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You tell me- you were the first one to crawl out of there after all,
> bandwagon-jumper.
Save your breath. I don't crawl out of nowhere ............ I've been right
here, for all to criticize, all the time. And I make no bones about it. If
you have a problem with my appreciation of the CAlgary Flames, you'll simply
have to live with it.
Now go take on the day !!!
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> Ragnarok73
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:56 am
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"John Stables" <raider_108.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I agree that they do need to change their coaching though. Hiring
> someone like Sutter outside of the organization will obviously bring
> the Oilers to the next level like Sutter has done with Calgary.
I totally agree ................. and when you consider it's the old boys
club, the odds of KL toasting CM and CH and CS remains slim to none.
>
> However, it remains to be seen if Calgary will be able to keep up this
> success next season.
Again ... totally agreed .................. but the ride was fun while it
lasted.
>
> And to the point of if the Oilers were in a division like Tampa Bay
> (or Calgary or any the teams in the northwest for that matter), they'd
> have even more points. The Oilers post trading deadline could have
> done some major damage in the playoffs I believe.
But therein lies ample proof to criticize KL's scheduling. "To little" .....
probably not: "To late" .... most definitely. I realize that the timing was
based upon the Sather pulling of the plug in NY, but the bottom line is that
KL waited for help ....... and by the time the dingy arrived, the storm
surge was insurmountable.
25 of a possible 32
> points with only one loss after making the changes (Nedved and Salo).
> Still too late to make up for the stretch in January though.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:47 pm
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"Rod's news" <rod.gram.RemoveThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> uh ...... ragnarson .............. I have precisely the same question for
> you !! You flail away at any and all who publicly state that they enjoyed
> the Flame bandwagon ........... yet you're a tad elusive as to why we
should
> listen to you.
LOL. I've made my point already and this is the best you can give me in
return while Buff is off hiding in his hole after chipping in his 2 cents
(in Hong Kong currency which makes it even more worthless). The point I'm
making is that if you want to only support "winners", you ought to go become
a Wings or Devils fan and quit annoying more intelligent fans in this NG
with your ignorant nonsense. If the Oilers went with guys like Lowe and
MacT to coach/GM their team, it's because these guys have 12 Cup rings
between them and KNOW HOW TO WIN- I'd take MacT over a guy like Sutter who
STILL hasn't won a Cup yet (either as player or coach). For that matter, if
you really like watching a trapping team so much, why DON'T you become a
Devils fan since that's their trademark style of play?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:47 pm
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> LOL. I've made my point already and this is the best you can give me
in
> return while Buff is off hiding in his hole after chipping in his 2
cents
> (in Hong Kong currency which makes it even more worthless). The point
I'm
> making is that if you want to only support "winners", you ought to go
become
> a Wings or Devils fan and quit annoying more intelligent fans in this NG
> with your ignorant nonsense.
I was a Wings fan two years ago and a Devils fan a year ago. Beauty, eh ??
I'll tell you one thing ....... bandwagoning beats the hell out of futility.
> If the Oilers went with guys like Lowe and
> MacT to coach/GM their team,
uh .... I believe that is exactly what they have "gone to".
it's because these guys have 12 Cup rings
> between them and KNOW HOW TO WIN- I'd take MacT over a guy like Sutter
who
> STILL hasn't won a Cup yet (either as player or coach).
The coaching staff in this city is pathetic compared to that Sutter regime
in Calgary.
For that matter, if
> you really like watching a trapping team so much,
Ya see .... you still don't get it. The Calgary Flames are NOT a trapping
team (in the traditional sense of trap hockey). I don't give a rat's ass how
few shots they get. That is largely because they are not very offensively
'gifted'. Trappingt teams do NOT have 3 forwards slapping the opponents
faces into the glass behind their own goal line all night long.
why DON'T you become a
> Devils fan since that's their trademark style of play?
see above. And yes, I'd agree that the Devils of the past "trapped" ...
but they also had offensive talent galore compared to the Flames.
CHAPTERS ....... HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES CDN$4.95. Pick yerself up a copy !!
cheers
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> Ragnarok73
> --
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Rod Gramlich wrote:
> "Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > LOL. I've made my point already and this is the best you can give me
> in
> > return while Buff is off hiding in his hole after chipping in his 2
> cents
> > (in Hong Kong currency which makes it even more worthless). The point
> I'm
> > making is that if you want to only support "winners", you ought to go
> become
> > a Wings or Devils fan and quit annoying more intelligent fans in this NG
> > with your ignorant nonsense.
>
> I was a Wings fan two years ago and a Devils fan a year ago. Beauty, eh ??
> I'll tell you one thing ....... bandwagoning beats the hell out of futility.
>
> > If the Oilers went with guys like Lowe and
> > MacT to coach/GM their team,
>
> uh .... I believe that is exactly what they have "gone to".
>
> it's because these guys have 12 Cup rings
> > between them and KNOW HOW TO WIN- I'd take MacT over a guy like Sutter
> who
> > STILL hasn't won a Cup yet (either as player or coach).
> The coaching staff in this city is pathetic compared to that Sutter regime
> in Calgary.
>
> For that matter, if
> > you really like watching a trapping team so much,
>
> Ya see .... you still don't get it. The Calgary Flames are NOT a trapping
> team (in the traditional sense of trap hockey). I don't give a rat's ass how
> few shots they get. That is largely because they are not very offensively
> 'gifted'. Trappingt teams do NOT have 3 forwards slapping the opponents
> faces into the glass behind their own goal line all night long.
>
>
> why DON'T you become a
> > Devils fan since that's their trademark style of play?
>
> see above. And yes, I'd agree that the Devils of the past "trapped" ...
> but they also had offensive talent galore compared to the Flames.
>
> CHAPTERS ....... HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES CDN$4.95. Pick yerself up a copy !!
>
> cheers
> >
> > Ragnarok73
> > --
> > "Life is warfare and the sojourn of a stranger in a strange land."
> > - Marcus Aurelius
> >
> >
>
>
HL, HL, HL....you only see more than 1 Lame forward near the corners if
there is a turnover...otherwise, its 1 in, 1 just inside the blueline
and another just outside...they try to force the play to one
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:59 am
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"Rod Gramlich" <rod.gramlich.DeleteThis@ualberta.ca> wrote in message
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> I was a Wings fan two years ago and a Devils fan a year ago. Beauty, eh
??
> I'll tell you one thing ....... bandwagoning beats the hell out of
futility.
Kinda like how following the herd beats the hell out of thinking for
yourself? You're a contemptible human being, Rod- I hope you realize that.
But then again, you seem to be proud of it, so enjoy.
> The coaching staff in this city is pathetic compared to that Sutter
regime
> in Calgary.
Hmmmm, the last time I checked the Flames DIDN'T win a Cup this year.
They got further than in reality they should have, just like the Ducks and
'Canes before them, but the end result is still the same. I'm fine with the
coaching staff that's in place in Edmonton right now (with the possible
exception of Simpson- the jury is still out on him until next season).
> Ya see .... you still don't get it. The Calgary Flames are NOT a
trapping
> team (in the traditional sense of trap hockey). I don't give a rat's ass
how
> few shots they get. That is largely because they are not very offensively
> 'gifted'. Trappingt teams do NOT have 3 forwards slapping the opponents
> faces into the glass behind their own goal line all night long.
3 forwards, hmmm? I noticed this happening too- AFTER the Flames fell
behind in their games, something which happened often enough in their games
during their run. If they were tied or leading, it was back to 1 forward
going in to force the turnover near the opposing blue-line. It's the trap
and it's the reason why most of the time I simply looked at the highlights
(what few there were) after their games rather than watching them.
> see above. And yes, I'd agree that the Devils of the past "trapped" ...
> but they also had offensive talent galore compared to the Flames.
> CHAPTERS ....... HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES CDN$4.95. Pick yerself up a copy
!!
Why? Did you lose yours? Go replace it yourself, twerp.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:00 am
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"sidius" <sidius.RemoveThis@telus.net> wrote in message
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> HL, HL, HL....you only see more than 1 Lame forward near the corners if
> there is a turnover...otherwise, its 1 in, 1 just inside the blueline
> and another just outside...they try to force the play to one
> side....say, that sounds like a TRAP!!!
Why do you say "HL"? Are Rod and HL the same person? If so, that would
go a long ways towards explaining some things....
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Take the HL and pound it .............. and the CALGARY FLAMES ARE NOT A
TRAPPING HOCKEY TEAM.
both cases closed !!
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> Rod Gramlich wrote:
> > "Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%tkyc.692070$Pk3.656698@pd7tw1no...
> > >
> > > LOL. I've made my point already and this is the best you can
give me
> > in
> > > return while Buff is off hiding in his hole after chipping in his
2
> > cents
> > > (in Hong Kong currency which makes it even more worthless). The
point
> > I'm
> > > making is that if you want to only support "winners", you ought to
go
> > become
> > > a Wings or Devils fan and quit annoying more intelligent fans in
this NG
> > > with your ignorant nonsense.
> >
> > I was a Wings fan two years ago and a Devils fan a year ago. Beauty,
eh ??
> > I'll tell you one thing ....... bandwagoning beats the hell out of
futility.
> >
> > > If the Oilers went with guys like Lowe and
> > > MacT to coach/GM their team,
> >
> > uh .... I believe that is exactly what they have "gone to".
> >
> > it's because these guys have 12 Cup rings
> > > between them and KNOW HOW TO WIN- I'd take MacT over a guy like
Sutter
> > who
> > > STILL hasn't won a Cup yet (either as player or coach).
> > The coaching staff in this city is pathetic compared to that Sutter
regime
> > in Calgary.
> >
> > For that matter, if
> > > you really like watching a trapping team so much,
> >
> > Ya see .... you still don't get it. The Calgary Flames are NOT a
trapping
> > team (in the traditional sense of trap hockey). I don't give a rat's
ass how
> > few shots they get. That is largely because they are not very
offensively
> > 'gifted'. Trappingt teams do NOT have 3 forwards slapping the
opponents
> > faces into the glass behind their own goal line all night long.
> >
> >
> > why DON'T you become a
> > > Devils fan since that's their trademark style of play?
> >
> > see above. And yes, I'd agree that the Devils of the past "trapped"
....
> > but they also had offensive talent galore compared to the Flames.
> >
> > CHAPTERS ....... HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES CDN$4.95. Pick yerself up a
copy !!
> >
> > cheers
> > >
> > > Ragnarok73
> > > --
> > > "Life is warfare and the sojourn of a stranger in a strange land."
> > > - Marcus Aurelius
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> HL, HL, HL....you only see more than 1 Lame forward near the corners if
> there is a turnover...otherwise, its 1 in, 1 just inside the blueline
> and another just outside...they try to force the play to one
> side....say, that sounds like a TRAP!!! >> Stay informed about: I find it very hard to cheer for Calgary |
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