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In article <eQOmc.376853$Pk3.346460@pd7tw1no>, Ragnarok73
<nabiki73.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> You're an idiot. Watch those Flames games again- they send in only ONE
> man while the other 4 wait in the neutral zone looking to put pressure on
> anyone attempting to break out of their own zone. If a turnover is caused
> before the opposing team gets to the blue-line, then the Flames send in more
> than one player on the counter-attack. That is the trap. You dare to
> accuse the WINGS of being the only team in that series that played boring
> hockey? You know what- I think I insulted idiots everywhere with my first
> line.

Well, it is true that there is one small difference between genius and
stupidity. Genius has its limits. You are walking, talking (I'm
assuming you're past the grunting stage in evolution) proof that
stupidity does not. Just think! Your fifteen minutes of fame could be
as poster boy for birth control!

BTW Einstein, you missed my point about the wings. They play the left
wing lock and yet nobody accuses them of boring hockey. Imagine playing
the left wing lock and being the highest scoring team in the regular
season!! Hello McFly .. err Einstein?

Perhaps you should try actually watching games? Two and three in is not
a trap. Again, no limits to yours!

> LOL, so why were they so "far out", smart guy? I'll wait right here while
> you give me some specific reasons rather than a generalization.

You just do that ... hold your breath while you're at it k? Thanks
that'd be great.

> > Gawd I hate wannabes.
>
> I love morons like you- you give me something to do in the off-season.

Besides getting tennis elbow from all those hot dates with Rosy Palm
and her 5 daughters?

Anyway, I would get into a battle of wits with you ... but there's no
honour in destroying an undefended city.
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"Oily" <me RemoveThis @there.net> wrote in message
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> Well, it is true that there is one small difference between genius and
> stupidity. Genius has its limits. You are walking, talking (I'm
> assuming you're past the grunting stage in evolution) proof that
> stupidity does not. Just think! Your fifteen minutes of fame could be
> as poster boy for birth control!

Whereas your parents should have been tried long ago for the crime against
humanity they committed by diluting the gene pool with you. You're a
walking argument for eugenics and Social Darwinism. Just be glad you
weren't living in Germany in the 1930's- they had special needles for people
like you, moron.

> BTW Einstein, you missed my point about the wings. They play the left
> wing lock and yet nobody accuses them of boring hockey. Imagine playing
> the left wing lock and being the highest scoring team in the regular
> season!! Hello McFly .. err Einstein?

It's called "having a line-up with actual talent in it", twit. They play
the left-wing lock but can score at will because they have the talent to do
so- they also don't have to ice the puck every time an opposing team can
actually bring it into their zone. The Flames, not having an over-abundance
of talent in their roster, do have to ice it when necessary (and even when
it's not since they don't have the skill to consistently string together
more than 2 clean passes out of their own end).

> Perhaps you should try actually watching games? Two and three in is not
> a trap. Again, no limits to yours!

LOL, "2 and 3 in"? The fact is that the Flames have good team speed so
that it may appear to most that they're not trapping, but that's exactly
what they're doing. What is the trap but putting pressure on an opposing
player attempting to either carry or pass the puck out of his own end,
forcing turnover and/or generally disrupting their flow through the neutral
zone. Sure, the Flames will send in 2 or 3 on the COUNTERATTACK after a
turnover is forced, which is not the same thing as sending in 2 or 3 to
FORECHECK, like the Oilers do. Christ, do yourself and your family a favor
and quit before you make yourself look more like an ass, ok?

> > LOL, so why were they so "far out", smart guy? I'll wait right here
while
> > you give me some specific reasons rather than a generalization.
>
> You just do that ... hold your breath while you're at it k? Thanks
> that'd be great.

You missed the point here, mouth-breather.

> Besides getting tennis elbow from all those hot dates with Rosy Palm
> and her 5 daughters?

Don't talk about your mother's hands that way, you ingrateful ass.

> Anyway, I would get into a battle of wits with you ... but there's no
> honour in destroying an undefended city.

Ah, going with the ol "if I say it enough times it must be true" bit of
self-delusion, are we? So far, you've said absolutely nothing useful, but
that is in keeping with you in general- nothing useful. Do humanity a favor
and take that extra step into rush-hour traffic, k?

Ragnarok73
--
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"Mario and Carole" <vanhalenmcs DeleteThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>> Newsflash!!!! The Flames, Lightning and Sharks are all in the bottom
tier
> of payrolls in the NHL so it is possible to have a winner in a small
market.

But they haven't won a thing yet, Mario. And there is still one team left
in the playoffs with a large payroll. Yes, the Flames, Lightning, and
Sharks are contending right now, but that doesn't mean they'll do that every
year if the current economic system remains in place in the NHL. Why?
Because the time will come under the current system when those teams' key
players will become too expensive to keep or do you seriously think that
Iginla will still be a Flame after his current contract expires, not to
mention a guy like St.Louis? The Wild and Ducks were right in the thick of
things last year- this year they booked early tee times. And neither of
them won the Cup last year, in case you've forgotten.

> Your're one of those Oil fans that accepts mediocrity, scrape into the
> postseason and get hammered by Dallas and that in your mind that
constitutes
> a successful season.

No, I'm a fan who understands the economic reality of the league and thus
can understand WHY my team is having a difficult time competing. Do I like
watching the Oilers bow out early? No. But do I understand WHY it happens?
Yes. The real question is: do YOU understand? I don't think so.

> Can we maybe aspire as an organization to be a bit more? No doubt
injuries,
> holdouts and player inconsistency is going to effect a hockey club during
the course of > an 82 game schedule but playing only half a season the way
the Oilers did this year is > the bigger problem.

No, the bigger problem is how the Oilers have continually had to adjust to
losses of talent in their roster. No one can rationally argue that this
team got better when it lost Carter, Ninnimaa, Marchant, and Comrie before
the last season started. Inconsistency is the hallmark of any young team-
thankfully, Lowe actually had the talent flow go in the opposite direction
with Nedved but if he's gone it won't matter anyway come next season. Go
back to my argument on the need for a cap when the CBA comes up for renewal
next year....

> Look at the strides both Calgary and San Jose made this year coming off
> miserable seasons a year ago. Defensive accountability and solid
specialty
> team play would translate the Oiler 89 point seaon this year to 4 or 5th
in
> the conference. The team scored enough goals this year to win we just
gave
> up way too many.

5-on-5, the Oilers were just fine defensively (121 goals against 5-on-5,
good enough to be 14th overall). What hurt them was their special teams on
both sides but especially on the PK which is exactly where Marchant's
departure hurt them the most (the previous season the Oilers' PK was 19th
overall and year before it was 12th overall). Yes, the Oilers gave up more
goals, but it was on the PK which will continue to suffer unless the Oilers
are able to develop/sign someone who can fill the role as well as Marchant
did. Both sides of special teams need help, but IMO it's a matter of
finding enough talent to shore it up- Nedved was enough for the PP, but who
will the Oilers' find to help anchor a solid PK unit?

Ragnarok73
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"hmmm" <flame_fan.RemoveThis@NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Ragnarok73" <nabiki73.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XpAmc.369303
> >
> > LOL, I'll bet Ducks fans and hockey observers said the same thing
about
> > Giguerre last year too.
>
> Yeah, but Giguerre didn't shatter the modern day record for GAA......
>
>
>
> Kiprusoff plays behind a team that employs the
> > trap- that makes it difficult to see exactly how good he actually is.
>
> They actually don't play the trap, they only use a slight variation. Last
I
> checked the Flames use 2 forecheckers, not just one...dummy! If it was the
> trap they would keep 4 guys back in NZ and keep one guy barely crossing
the
> blueline.....

There are as many variations of the trap as there are idiots in this
world. The Flames generally only send more than 1 guy into the opposing
zone if they've caused a turnover and are counter-attacking. It's funny how
your first and last statements are contradictory, twerp- lack of internal
consistency in an argument is the sign of a TRUE dummy.

Ragnarok73
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"Ragnarok73" <nabiki73.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uy7nc.389753
> There are as many variations of the trap as there are idiots in this
> world. The Flames generally only send more than 1 guy into the opposing
> zone if they've caused a turnover and are counter-attacking. It's funny
how
> your first and last statements are contradictory, twerp- lack of internal
> consistency in an argument is the sign of a TRUE dummy.
>

Nope, you are wrong about the trap. Deal with it.


> Ragnarok73
> --
> "Life is warfare and the sojourn of a stranger in a strange land."
> - Marcus Aurelius
>
>
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hmmm wrote:
> "Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XpAmc.369303
>
>> LOL, I'll bet Ducks fans and hockey observers said the same thing about
>>Giguerre last year too.
>
>
> Yeah, but Giguerre didn't shatter the modern day record for GAA......
>
>
>
> Kiprusoff plays behind a team that employs the
>
>>trap- that makes it difficult to see exactly how good he actually is.
>
>
> They actually don't play the trap, they only use a slight variation. Last I
> checked the Flames use 2 forecheckers, not just one...dummy! If it was the
> trap they would keep 4 guys back in NZ and keep one guy barely crossing the
> blueline.....
>
>
>
The trap also sees the team dumping and setting up for the other team to
bring the puck back. The Flames will cross the line sometimes, when they
dump they forecheck the snot out of the other team. That is not the trap.

Good call Hmmm, I just wanted to add to your comment.
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In article <i01nc.411685$oR5.70576@pd7tw3no>, Ragnarok73 grunted

> > Anyway, I would get into a battle of wits with you ... but there's no
> > honour in destroying an undefended city.
>
> Ah, going with the ol "if I say it enough times it must be true" bit of
> self-delusion, are we? So far, you've said absolutely nothing useful, but
> that is in keeping with you in general- nothing useful. Do humanity a favor
> and take that extra step into rush-hour traffic, k?

Destroyed. I feel no honour. Too easy.
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"Lee Townsend" <tlt10.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know about Nolan. I think he's a great coach, but from
> everything I've heard and seen it appears he wants to go to a big market
> team and take his chances there. I really wouldn't mind seeing an
> unknown that has proven himself everywhere else step in, ala Hitchcock,
> Quenville. It's just frustrating to be so close yet so far away at the
> same time, and it's due to lack of skill, just heart.
>
> Lee

What about another Sutter? Think its time to give Brent a chance..... only
150km down the road..???
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I can't see him leaving the Rebels. He is the man there, the team is
profitable and succesful. He'd be a nice fit here though. All I'd like
to see is a coach the rides his players a bit more then what we are used
to here and demands 100% everynight.

Lee

Rebel wrote:


>
>
> What about another Sutter? Think its time to give Brent a chance..... only
> 150km down the road..???
>
>
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"hmmm" <flame_fan DeleteThis @NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Nope, you are wrong about the trap. Deal with it.

I don't hate the Flames for their success- one can't help but feel good
about them making back to the show after nearly a decade out. But they play
the trap, a system that I have no respect for whatsoever. BTW, when you
make an argument, it's usually considered a good idea to support it somehow.

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"Buff" <will RemoveThis @not.say> wrote in message
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> The trap also sees the team dumping and setting up for the other team to
> bring the puck back. The Flames will cross the line sometimes, when they
> dump they forecheck the snot out of the other team. That is not the trap.

Sometimes...most of the times, they work to disrupt the flow of the
opposing team by pressuring them as they attempt to move into the neutral
zone and when they have the lead, they never send in more than 1 guy to
forecheck. That is the trap- maybe when you guys watch Game 1 against the
Sharks you'll see this. Counterattacking off or a turnover is not the same
thing as sending in more than 1 guy to forecheck....

Ragnarok73
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"hmmm" <flame_fan RemoveThis @NOSPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Ragnarok73" <nabiki73 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XpAmc.369303
> >
> > LOL, I'll bet Ducks fans and hockey observers said the same thing
about
> > Giguerre last year too.
>
> Yeah, but Giguerre didn't shatter the modern day record for GAA......

You totally missed the point I was making which was that Giguerre like
Weekes, Irbe, Kolzig, and so many others played behind teams that employed a
tight defensive system be it the NZT or some variation thereof. They did
well in a year and got a lot of people talking about how they were the next
coming of the Dominator or Brodeur, but then failed to accomplish anything
after their time in the limelight. Kiprusoff may have taken away the record
for GAA that Turco had set only 2 seasons prior, but that doesn't mean that
he's the next Hasek unless he can do it year in and year out. Hence my last
line: "Time will tell with the Kipper."

Ragnarok73
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"Oily" <me RemoveThis @there.net> wrote in message
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> In article <i01nc.411685$oR5.70576@pd7tw3no>, Ragnarok73 grunted
>
> Destroyed. I feel no honour. Too easy.

No, "easy" is your mother after I gave her a $10 bill. "Easy" is what's
it's like to puncture the illusions of mouth-breathing morons like you. But
go on and continue to delude yourself that you actually know what you're
talking about- Hungry Lion is lonely and needs someone who can share his
crack-laced delusions....

Ragnarok73
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