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Leopold Stotch

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:34 am
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"Adam Prince" <aprince4.DeleteThis@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Have you ever been to Winnipeg?

*great* hockey town. #1 sport there by a large margin, not like places
where it is considered a fringe sport and only followed by several thousand
hard-core fans only. Hockey is in Winnipeg's blood. I'd love to see a
team return there someday -- they deserve it.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:36 am
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"Leopold Stotch" <butters RemoveThis @sp.co.us> wrote in message
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> "Adam Prince" <aprince4 RemoveThis @nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Have you ever been to Winnipeg?
>
> *great* hockey town. #1 sport there by a large margin, not like places
> where it is considered a fringe sport and only followed by several
> thousand hard-core fans only. Hockey is in Winnipeg's blood. I'd love
> to see a team return there someday -- they deserve it.

Fair point...here's a question that i asked the buffalo group. Do you want
the game to grow or remain a niche sport only?

>
>

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Leopold Stotch

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:29 am
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"Adam Prince" <aprince4.DeleteThis@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Fair point...here's a question that i asked the buffalo group. Do you
> want the game to grow or remain a niche sport only?

Why should I care if it grows? My vision of a perfect NHL is one with
healthy teams in as many cities as can support it, which I would suggest is
less than 30 today.

You shouldn't have to force-feed the game to people to get them to enjoy it.
In my opinion, the NHL made a *huge* mistake in PUSHING expansion teams into
some of the markets they did (like Miami and Tampa). Expansion teams should
go to cities where the is a genuine grassroots demand for a team -- where
there is a PULL for one (e.g. Minnesota).

I just don't understand why people think a "niche sport" is such a bad
thing. Do we really want a league like the NBA or NFL, which is more about
hype than substance? Which has ticket prices too expensive to bring your
family? Which has turned its players into spoiled brats, promoting
themselves to excess and running afoul of the law?

Certainly not.

Hockey players and hockey fans are somewhat unique in North American
professional sports, and I want to see it stay that way. I don't want to
see the NHL evolve into something that attracts "poser fans" who don't
really appreciate the game itself.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:11 pm
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"Leopold Stotch" <butters.TakeThisOut@sp.co.us> wrote in message
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> "Adam Prince" <aprince4.TakeThisOut@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Fair point...here's a question that i asked the buffalo group. Do you
>> want the game to grow or remain a niche sport only?
>
> Why should I care if it grows? My vision of a perfect NHL is one with
> healthy teams in as many cities as can support it, which I would suggest
> is less than 30 today.

I understand your point, and are all 30 perfect right now no. Heck, the
town I grew up in is very clsoe to losing their team again (pittsburgh).
But there is a growth in non-traditional markets like Raleigh. Seven new
ice rinks since the team started to play there in 1999. the number of
registered hockey players has increased more than ten fold. (To pushing
3,000). Yes, i Know that may not seem much to yourself. But this from an
area where hockey was nothing.

>
> You shouldn't have to force-feed the game to people to get them to enjoy
> it. In my opinion, the NHL made a *huge* mistake in PUSHING expansion
> teams into some of the markets they did (like Miami and Tampa). Expansion
> teams should go to cities where the is a genuine grassroots demand for a
> team -- where there is a PULL for one (e.g. Minnesota).

Well the ownership groups wanting a team helped that. But let's go with
your point, the growth of the Hurricanes who started from nothing In Raleigh
to the new ice rinks, to the growth of players, to the number of skate to
play leagues. To kids, (yes it's not on a frozen pond) but the amount of
kids playing street hockey and growing up with the game down there is
awesome for the sport.

>
> I just don't understand why people think a "niche sport" is such a bad
> thing. Do we really want a league like the NBA or NFL, which is more
> about hype than substance?

The game isn't like that....the players and fans have too much respect for
the game. It's shown in the new markets of Tampa and in Raleigh. It is
amazing to see how fans down thereo ver the past seven years have grown to
learn, appreciate, and respect the nuances of our sport.

Which has ticket prices too expensive to bring your
> family? Which has turned its players into spoiled brats, promoting
> themselves to excess and running afoul of the law?

Again, I think hockey has a culture of respect of each other the game and
its history. Players learning the game understand the efforts of those
before and do not want to insult the legacy of those before them. Hockey
players, and it is even said in columns in Raleigh, are more liek the
average joe at the bar than any ofher sport around.

The funny thing about our game is that we hate being looked at as third
world citizens, but when there is a chance to embrace and include new people
and fans to the game, too many rather be in their own little world vs.
allowing the game to grow and prosper.
>
> Certainly not.
>
> Hockey players and hockey fans are somewhat unique in North American
> professional sports, and I want to see it stay that way. I don't want to
> see the NHL evolve into something that attracts "poser fans" who don't
> really appreciate the game itself.
>
>
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:12 pm
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Garrett Dyer wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 12:43:53 -0700, "Mike Eisler" <spamisevi1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I can sort of respect Tampa for at least building a
> >champion from scratch as opposed to taking another community's
> >team.
>
> Respect Tampa?!
>
> The fans? The government? The ownership? What are you talking
> about...?

The owners and fans for building a team from scratch, as opposed to
Dallas,
Colorado, and Carolina shopping for another town's team.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:19 pm
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Mike Eisler wrote:
> Garrett Dyer wrote:
> > On 19 Jun 2006 12:43:53 -0700, "Mike Eisler" <spamisevi1.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I can sort of respect Tampa for at least building a
> > >champion from scratch as opposed to taking another community's
> > >team.
> >
> > Respect Tampa?!
> >
> > The fans? The government? The ownership? What are you talking
> > about...?
>
> The owners and fans for building a team from scratch, as opposed to
> Dallas,
> Colorado, and Carolina shopping for another town's team.

Anyway, the better team won tonight; Congrats.
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Garrett Dyer

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:38 pm
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On 19 Jun 2006 12:43:53 -0700, "Mike Eisler" <spamisevi1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I can sort of respect Tampa for at least building a
>champion from scratch as opposed to taking another community's
>team.

Respect Tampa?!

The fans? The government? The ownership? What are you talking
about...?
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Maestro

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:24 pm
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BlackThorne wrote:
> Can someone please tell me why Raleigh even HAS an NHL team? Carolina has a
> blasted NHL team, but Winnipeg, Canada doesn't. Ridiculous!
>
> Yeah yeah I see the crowds there at their arena and it looks full and
> loud... only took 10 years and a Stanley Cup contendor to get fans to
> actually PAY for tickets and SHOW UP to games there at the RBC Center!
>
> You guys wanna REALLY guage the "fan support" Carolina has? Check out a
> Tuesday night regular season game at the RBC Center this November.
>
>
> How many outdoor hockey rinks in the Carolina's? ZERO.
> How many kids wake up at 6 a.m. for hockey pracice in the Carolina's?
> TWELVE. (trust me I researched this)
>
> I think your team will STILL lose millions this year despite making the Cup
> final....
>
> It sickens me your NASCAR-loving hick town has an NHL hockey team... you
> don't love and appreciate the game. You didn't grow up with it.
>
>
Same reason Toronto has a MLB team? (Go Jays)
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