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>>> Stastny wasn't supposed to make that team?
>>
>>No. He wasn't.
>>
>>He won the job. Quenneville said as much. He was slated to spend the
>>entirety of 06-07 in the AHL, but he played so well in the preseason
>>that Quenneville had to keep him.
>
>I'd love to see the quote where Q stated that Stastny was absolutely
>going to spend the season in the A; especially since he'd recently
>gotten rid of Tanguay.

Thomas is correct, Walk. Here in town, there was a lot of talk about
how Stastny probably should have stayed at DU, signed a pro contract
too early, etc. I don't have the quote handy, but I do recall reading
Q saying that they were all pleasantly surprised by Stastny's play in
camp/preseason last year, and how they initially expected him to get
some time in the AHL, much like our other young players are this year
- Hensick, Stewart, Burki, etc.

Chris
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:03:21 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred RemoveThis @tifle.net>
wrote:

>
><xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:adguh3duf4cucfs8audbq7tq86bbv220u5@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>points than
>>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>
>>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>Holmstrom's.
>>
>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>> season.
>
>Why would you take them away? They didn't count?
>
Who is taking them away? Just showing that so far this season he's not
a very consistent goal scorer.
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:09:24 -0400, "Freedom Elz" <kred RemoveThis @tifle.net>
wrote:

>> That's because wasn't being put in a situation to score a lot of ES
>> goals.
>
>And why is that?
Players in front of him. You do remember Shanahan don't you?
>
>The fact is the last three seasons the % of ES goals were
>> considerably more than PP goals.
>
>Not really.
>
>
>
>
>>>Yeah, better to just overlook that. Moooooving on.....
>>
>> Better to overlook the facts, Elz?
>
>Which facts? Like the 46% of his career goals that have come on the PP?

No but I guess it must have slipped your mind that you said he was
only effective on the PP. I've been told that Aricept is a wonderful
drug. Also it's much cheaper on your side of the border.
>
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:13:47 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:29:03 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>>
>>> xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>> points than
>>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>> season.
>>> ...and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
>>> powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
>>
>> Except we aren't talking about Yzerman but Stastny. Nice try though.
>
>No, we were talking about Holmstrom. *YOU* brought up Stastny. I brought
>up Yzerman. My comparison is every bit as valid and relevant to the
>conversation as yours.

No it isn't.
>
>-Thomas
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>> Yes. With total points being equal which would you rather have a
>> player that gives you points every game or the player who gives you
>> big points every fourth game?
>
>Total points aren't equal. Stastny has nearly twice as many this season
>as Holmstrom does.

What are you talking about?
>
>And even if the points were equal, I'd much rather have a young, quick,
>moderately physical two-way forward who can play in any situation than a
>relatively old, slow, defensively inept forward who can only play on the PP.

What are you talking about?
>
>-Thomas
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:17:33 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:

>Freedom Elz wrote:
>> <xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:adguh3duf4cucfs8audbq7tq86bbv220u5@4ax.com...
>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>> points than
>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>> season.
>>
>> Why would you take them away?
>
>He's trying to come up with a way to make Holmstrom even remotely
>similar to Stastny.

I am?
>
>There is no comparison. We all know that.
>
>-Thomas
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:07:12 -0600, Chris <noone.RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:42:03 -0400, xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0600, Chris <noone.RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:06:06 -0400, xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>>points than
>>>>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>>but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>>
>>>>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>>Holmstrom's.
>>>>
>>>>Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>>a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>>that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>>season.
>>>
>>>About a point a game pace then?
>>
>>Yes. With total points being equal which would you rather have a
>>player that gives you points every game or the player who gives you
>>big points every fourth game?
>
>Please show me a single NHL player who gave a point every game last
>year. Or the year before. Or any year since Gretzky played in the
>mid-1980s.

Can't do it? Again which player would you prefer one that is going to
give you steady production or one that gives you a big game and then
goes a couple games giving you nothing?
>
>Chris
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:18:12 -0400, xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:07:12 -0600, Chris <noone.TakeThisOut@goaway.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:42:03 -0400, xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0600, Chris <noone.TakeThisOut@goaway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:06:06 -0400, xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>>>points than
>>>>>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>>>but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>>>Holmstrom's.
>>>>>
>>>>>Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>>>a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>>>that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>>>season.
>>>>
>>>>About a point a game pace then?
>>>
>>>Yes. With total points being equal which would you rather have a
>>>player that gives you points every game or the player who gives you
>>>big points every fourth game?
>>
>>Please show me a single NHL player who gave a point every game last
>>year. Or the year before. Or any year since Gretzky played in the
>>mid-1980s.
>
>Can't do it?

Can't do what?

> Again which player would you prefer one that is going to
>give you steady production or one that gives you a big game and then
>goes a couple games giving you nothing?

I'd take the former, though in the context of our current discussion,
which player scores every game, and which one 'gives you nothing'
three games at a time? Your question doesn't cite anything realistic,
as there are no NHL players who garner a point every game.

Chris
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Chris wrote:
>>>> Stastny wasn't supposed to make that team?
>>> No. He wasn't.
>>>
>>> He won the job. Quenneville said as much. He was slated to spend the
>>> entirety of 06-07 in the AHL, but he played so well in the preseason
>>> that Quenneville had to keep him.
>> I'd love to see the quote where Q stated that Stastny was absolutely
>> going to spend the season in the A; especially since he'd recently
>> gotten rid of Tanguay.
>
> Thomas is correct, Walk. Here in town, there was a lot of talk about
> how Stastny probably should have stayed at DU, signed a pro contract
> too early, etc. I don't have the quote handy, but I do recall reading
> Q saying that they were all pleasantly surprised by Stastny's play in
> camp/preseason last year, and how they initially expected him to get
> some time in the AHL, much like our other young players are this year
> - Hensick, Stewart, Burki, etc.

Thank you.

The thing Walk seems to have forgotten (or never known) was that we were
all hoping that Stastny would one day develop into the player he is
currently. If he were expected to be as good as he is currently right
off the bat, he wouldn't have been there in the second round.

-Thomas
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:11:20 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:

>Chris wrote:
>>>>> Stastny wasn't supposed to make that team?
>>>> No. He wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> He won the job. Quenneville said as much. He was slated to spend the
>>>> entirety of 06-07 in the AHL, but he played so well in the preseason
>>>> that Quenneville had to keep him.
>>> I'd love to see the quote where Q stated that Stastny was absolutely
>>> going to spend the season in the A; especially since he'd recently
>>> gotten rid of Tanguay.
>>
>> Thomas is correct, Walk. Here in town, there was a lot of talk about
>> how Stastny probably should have stayed at DU, signed a pro contract
>> too early, etc. I don't have the quote handy, but I do recall reading
>> Q saying that they were all pleasantly surprised by Stastny's play in
>> camp/preseason last year, and how they initially expected him to get
>> some time in the AHL, much like our other young players are this year
>> - Hensick, Stewart, Burki, etc.
>
>Thank you.
>
>The thing Walk seems to have forgotten (or never known) was that we were
>all hoping that Stastny would one day develop into the player he is
>currently. If he were expected to be as good as he is currently right
>off the bat, he wouldn't have been there in the second round.

Correct. And while Stastny was a very good player at DU, he didn't
lead his team in goals or assists, and was something like 12th in
goals in that conference that year. He was a good scorer, not a
prolific one. I distinctly remember a number of raised eyebrows when
he went pro, and there was considerable question about his speed in
particular. And that last point was the one that had him slated for
AHL time, IMO.

Chris
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xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:13:47 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>
>> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:29:03 -0400, Thomas <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote:
>>>
>>>> xpenenyx.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>> Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
>>>>>> points than
>>>>>> Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
>>>>> but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>>>>>> So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
>>>>>> Holmstrom's.
>>>>> Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
>>>>> a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
>>>>> that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
>>>>> season.
>>>> ...and if you take away Yzerman's points at even strength and on the
>>>> powerplay, he played 1514 games and scored less than 30 points.
>>> Except we aren't talking about Yzerman but Stastny. Nice try though.
>> No, we were talking about Holmstrom. *YOU* brought up Stastny. I brought
>> up Yzerman. My comparison is every bit as valid and relevant to the
>> conversation as yours.
>
> No it isn't.

Yes. It is.

-Thomas
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On Oct 25, 9:28 am, Chris <no....RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:18:12 -0400, xpene....RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
> >On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:07:12 -0600, Chris <no....RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:42:03 -0400, xpene....RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0600, Chris <no....RemoveThis@goaway.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:06:06 -0400, xpene....RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Good argument, nice to see that Holmstrom had more ES goals and less
> >>>>>>points than
> >>>>>>Stastny, who was a rookie at the time.
> >>>>>but Holstrom is a scrub while Stastny is a God.
>
> >>>>>>So far this year all of Stastny's goals have been at ES, only two of
> >>>>>>Holmstrom's.
>
> >>>>>Speaking of goals if you take away the early season game where he had
> >>>>>a hat trick he has only two goals for the season. If you take away
> >>>>>that game as well as the Calgary he only have 6 points for the
> >>>>>season.
>
> >>>>About a point a game pace then?
>
> >>>Yes. With total points being equal which would you rather have a
> >>>player that gives you points every game or the player who gives you
> >>>big points every fourth game?
>
> >>Please show me a single NHL player who gave a point every game last
> >>year. Or the year before. Or any year since Gretzky played in the
> >>mid-1980s.
>
> >Can't do it?
>
> Can't do what?
>
> > Again which player would you prefer one that is going to
> >give you steady production or one that gives you a big game and then
> >goes a couple games giving you nothing?
>
> I'd take the former, though in the context of our current discussion,
> which player scores every game, and which one 'gives you nothing'
> three games at a time? Your question doesn't cite anything realistic,
> as there are no NHL players who garner a point every game.

I guess the wings homers were asleep last year when Stastny set a
consecutive
games POINTS SCORING STREAK RECORD for a rookie. What was it? 22
games?

Anyone on Detroit have a 22 game points streak?

<crickets>

Didn't think so.
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:25:16 -0600, Chris <noone.DeleteThis@goaway.com> wrote:

>
>>>> Stastny wasn't supposed to make that team?
>>>
>>>No. He wasn't.
>>>
>>>He won the job. Quenneville said as much. He was slated to spend the
>>>entirety of 06-07 in the AHL, but he played so well in the preseason
>>>that Quenneville had to keep him.
>>
>>I'd love to see the quote where Q stated that Stastny was absolutely
>>going to spend the season in the A; especially since he'd recently
>>gotten rid of Tanguay.
>
>Thomas is correct, Walk. Here in town, there was a lot of talk about
>how Stastny probably should have stayed at DU, signed a pro contract
>too early, etc. I don't have the quote handy, but I do recall reading
>Q saying that they were all pleasantly surprised by Stastny's play in
>camp/preseason last year, and how they initially expected him to get
>some time in the AHL, much like our other young players are this year
>- Hensick, Stewart, Burki, etc.

They had just dealt Tanguay. They had lost Forsberg the season
before. They needed 2nd line scoring. Stastny was a 2nd round pick
with the last name "STASTNY" who was already 21 years of age and had
already produced at a high level for two years at U of D.

I don't doubt for a second they were hoping the kid would come
storming out of camp and make the team. Also, I don't think initially
expecting a kid to start out in the A at all precludes making a
substantive impact at the NHL level the same year.
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