Why golf should be banned

Well - I sure can't spell - "blue collar" works better although the "Blue
Man Group" is still in Chicago...

--
Jerry
Jerry E. Wesch
Chicago
"JE Wesch" <jerrywesch.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Huh? I played today on a Chicago public course for $18, paired with a
pair
> of brothers of blue color sociodemographics. We had a great time - didn't
> see any rich and powerful all day.
>
> --
> Jerry
> Jerry E. Wesch
> Chicago
> "Tigger Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all
> the
> > greenery
> > which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women)
> playing
> > a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the
> rich
> > and powerful
> > wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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"Tigger Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all
> the
> greenery
> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women)
> playing
> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the
> rich
> and powerful
> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>
Maybe you wanna change countries with me, you'll find as many fieldhockey
places here as you want. But..... field hockey is considered a game for the
rich and snotty here in Holland and hockey fields a waste of soccer field
space.
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I agree, that is a problem, but farmland causes the same problems to an
even greater extent I would think. There is a very large dead area in the
gulf (lack of oxygen) as a result of all of the runoff from farmland
fertilizers. I would think the runoff from golf courses would be minute in
comparison, but that is only a guess.

I thought that I had heard that a lot of golf courses were cleaning up
their act with respect to fertilizers. Is that true? If so, I'm curious
as to how are they doing it?

Kevin

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:32:03 -0400, The Data Rat wrote:

> Well, as a non-golfer, the thing that concerns me about golf courses is the tremendous amount of pollution, namely fertilizer, pesticide and weed control run off. I look at a golf course and see a toxic waste dump.
>
> Living a few miles from the Chesapeake Bay watershed, the fertilizer run off from private homes, golf courses and any maintained turf causes algae blooms, then we have massive fish kills from the lack of oxygen. Our native oysters have all but died out. Also, when we are in drought conditions, golf courses are still allowed to water, which is irritating when you hear of senior citizens being ticketed for watering their vegetable gardens or someone that is really into their cars getting a ticket for washing it.
>
> Other than that, I don't have a problem with golf courses. There are some very expensive ones here (Virginia Beach, VA.) and some very affordable ones. Almost every elementary, middle and high school has fields that can be used for soccer, field hockey, football, etc, We also have the US Field Hockey National Training Center, but that is $150.00 an hour. Field sports can be played on a field of natural grasses as long as they are mowed. If I played golf, I would only play at a course that used organic fertilizers.
>
> Sorry...I digressed!
>
> Suzi
>
>
> "Tigger Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2tg7udF1vvt85U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all the
>> greenery
>> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women) playing
>> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the rich
>> and powerful
>> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>>
>>
>>
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Ignoring the main intent of the troll, I will add:

Golf courses are not natural. But they are less pollutants than are buildings,
roads, and farms.

"Public" golf courses are paid by fees. "Public" field hockey fields are paid
for by tax payers.
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Well, farming certainly releases a tremendous amount of pesticide and
fertilizer run off. In my particular area, we don't have any farm land
thanks to urbanization. From what I have read about local golf courses,
especially the country club ones, they go for looks, not the enviroment.
One of the city courses uses the native Bermuda grass that grows just fine
without any help of any kind. The others fight a constant battle of killing
the native Bermuda to grow Tifway bermuda.

It seems that artifical turf is the way field hockey is going.

Stupid question about the artificial turf though...as I mentioned, the
national field hockey fields here in Virginia Beach have HUGE sprinklers
around them. I wasn't aware that artificial turf needed water! Am I
missing something?

Suzi
"Kevin Boylan" <k_boylan.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>I agree, that is a problem, but farmland causes the same problems to an
> even greater extent I would think. There is a very large dead area in the
> gulf (lack of oxygen) as a result of all of the runoff from farmland
> fertilizers. I would think the runoff from golf courses would be minute
> in
> comparison, but that is only a guess.
>
> I thought that I had heard that a lot of golf courses were cleaning up
> their act with respect to fertilizers. Is that true? If so, I'm curious
> as to how are they doing it?
>
> Kevin
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:32:03 -0400, The Data Rat wrote:
>
>> Well, as a non-golfer, the thing that concerns me about golf courses is
>> the tremendous amount of pollution, namely fertilizer, pesticide and weed
>> control run off. I look at a golf course and see a toxic waste dump.
>>
>> Living a few miles from the Chesapeake Bay watershed, the fertilizer run
>> off from private homes, golf courses and any maintained turf causes algae
>> blooms, then we have massive fish kills from the lack of oxygen. Our
>> native oysters have all but died out. Also, when we are in drought
>> conditions, golf courses are still allowed to water, which is irritating
>> when you hear of senior citizens being ticketed for watering their
>> vegetable gardens or someone that is really into their cars getting a
>> ticket for washing it.
>>
>> Other than that, I don't have a problem with golf courses. There are
>> some very expensive ones here (Virginia Beach, VA.) and some very
>> affordable ones. Almost every elementary, middle and high school has
>> fields that can be used for soccer, field hockey, football, etc, We also
>> have the US Field Hockey National Training Center, but that is $150.00 an
>> hour. Field sports can be played on a field of natural grasses as long
>> as they are mowed. If I played golf, I would only play at a course that
>> used organic fertilizers.
>>
>> Sorry...I digressed!
>>
>> Suzi
>>
>>
>> "Tigger Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:2tg7udF1vvt85U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all
>>> the
>>> greenery
>>> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women)
>>> playing
>>> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the
>>> rich
>>> and powerful
>>> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 >> Stay informed about: Why golf should be banned 

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:33:55 -0400, The Data Rat wrote:

> Well, farming certainly releases a tremendous amount of pesticide and
> fertilizer run off. In my particular area, we don't have any farm land
> thanks to urbanization. From what I have read about local golf courses,
> especially the country club ones, they go for looks, not the enviroment.
> One of the city courses uses the native Bermuda grass that grows just fine
> without any help of any kind. The others fight a constant battle of killing
> the native Bermuda to grow Tifway bermuda.
>
> It seems that artifical turf is the way field hockey is going.
>
> Stupid question about the artificial turf though...as I mentioned, the
> national field hockey fields here in Virginia Beach have HUGE sprinklers
> around them. I wasn't aware that artificial turf needed water! Am I
> missing something?

Artificial water? :-)

>
> Suzi
> "Kevin Boylan" <k_boylan.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:10th27beckxmx.g9u7f6zq8xox$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>I agree, that is a problem, but farmland causes the same problems to an
>> even greater extent I would think. There is a very large dead area in the
>> gulf (lack of oxygen) as a result of all of the runoff from farmland
>> fertilizers. I would think the runoff from golf courses would be minute
>> in
>> comparison, but that is only a guess.
>>
>> I thought that I had heard that a lot of golf courses were cleaning up
>> their act with respect to fertilizers. Is that true? If so, I'm curious
>> as to how are they doing it?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:32:03 -0400, The Data Rat wrote:
>>
>>> Well, as a non-golfer, the thing that concerns me about golf courses is
>>> the tremendous amount of pollution, namely fertilizer, pesticide and weed
>>> control run off. I look at a golf course and see a toxic waste dump.
>>>
>>> Living a few miles from the Chesapeake Bay watershed, the fertilizer run
>>> off from private homes, golf courses and any maintained turf causes algae
>>> blooms, then we have massive fish kills from the lack of oxygen. Our
>>> native oysters have all but died out. Also, when we are in drought
>>> conditions, golf courses are still allowed to water, which is irritating
>>> when you hear of senior citizens being ticketed for watering their
>>> vegetable gardens or someone that is really into their cars getting a
>>> ticket for washing it.
>>>
>>> Other than that, I don't have a problem with golf courses. There are
>>> some very expensive ones here (Virginia Beach, VA.) and some very
>>> affordable ones. Almost every elementary, middle and high school has
>>> fields that can be used for soccer, field hockey, football, etc, We also
>>> have the US Field Hockey National Training Center, but that is $150.00 an
>>> hour. Field sports can be played on a field of natural grasses as long
>>> as they are mowed. If I played golf, I would only play at a course that
>>> used organic fertilizers.
>>>
>>> Sorry...I digressed!
>>>
>>> Suzi
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tigger Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2tg7udF1vvt85U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all
>>>> the
>>>> greenery
>>>> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women)
>>>> playing
>>>> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the
>>>> rich
>>>> and powerful
>>>> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Stupid question about the artificial turf though...as I mentioned, the
> national field hockey fields here in Virginia Beach have HUGE sprinklers
> around them. I wasn't aware that artificial turf needed water! Am I
> missing something?
>
The artificial turf used for top level (field) hockey is "water based". That
is, the plastic surface needs to be wet to provide a suitable playing
surface. Much of the water used is recycled as it drains back into the tanks
that feed the sprinklers.

Simon
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Thanks for letting me know that. The other parents and I wonder why they
have 6 water canons around each field. Now I can pass that along and people
will think I am smart! :-) Do they water it before each game? Is that why
the artifical stuff is kind of soft and bouncy?

Suzi
"Simon" <dont.DeleteThis@bother.com> wrote in message
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>> Stupid question about the artificial turf though...as I mentioned, the
>> national field hockey fields here in Virginia Beach have HUGE sprinklers
>> around them. I wasn't aware that artificial turf needed water! Am I
>> missing something?
>>
> The artificial turf used for top level (field) hockey is "water based".
> That
> is, the plastic surface needs to be wet to provide a suitable playing
> surface. Much of the water used is recycled as it drains back into the
> tanks
> that feed the sprinklers.
>
> Simon
>
>
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On 17-10-2004 23:53, in article 2tg7udF1vvt85U1.DeleteThis@uni-berlin.de, "Tigger
Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all the
> greenery
> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women) playing
> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the rich
> and powerful
> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>
>
>

Couple of remarks:

-get the kids of the couch first!
-golf for the rich and famous? Lol
-fieldhockey is mostly played on dead-level artificial grass fields, instead
of nice rolling genuine grassy hills.
Let those kids learn golf, and some manners in the process as well!

Jochem
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On 17-10-2004 23:53, in article 2tg7udF1vvt85U1.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de, "Tigger
Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all the
> greenery
> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women) playing
> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the rich
> and powerful
> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>
>
>

Couple of remarks:

-get the kids of the couch first!
-golf for the rich and famous? Lol
-fieldhockey is mostly played on dead-level artificial grass fields, instead
of nice rolling genuine grassy hills.
Let those kids learn golf, and some manners in the process as well!

Jochem
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I never thought of
a)golf courses having hills
or
b) fields having to be leveled for hockey or other field sports.

I live in a FLAT area of Virginia...we think of interstate overpasses as
mountainous!

You made a good point!
"Jochem Bakker" <jochembakker.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
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> On 17-10-2004 23:53, in article 2tg7udF1vvt85U1.RemoveThis@uni-berlin.de, "Tigger
> Wooods" <_77Tigger_fg55.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all
>> the
>> greenery
>> which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women)
>> playing
>> a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the
>> rich
>> and powerful
>> wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Couple of remarks:
>
> -get the kids of the couch first!
> -golf for the rich and famous? Lol
> -fieldhockey is mostly played on dead-level artificial grass fields,
> instead
> of nice rolling genuine grassy hills.
> Let those kids learn golf, and some manners in the process as well!
>
> Jochem
>
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Tigger Wooods <_77Tigger_fg55.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>When I drive past a golf course I am overcome with sadness as I see all the
>greenery
>which could be put to good use for boys and girls (and men an women) playing
>a real sport like field-hockey instead of serving the vanities of the rich
>and powerful
>wasting away at an unathletic activity such as golf.

More people will play golf in 1-4 person groups than will ever
play field hockey in however-big-a-team-is groups.

In fact, that's one of the reasons there are 30 million
golfers in America, and about 50 people who know how big
a field hockey team is.

BTW, golf (walking with a pull cart) burns 500 calories
per round, which is twice the AMA's thrice-weekly exercise
recommendation.

--Blair
"But thanks for trolling."
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"The Data Rat" <suzipearce.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks for letting me know that. The other parents and I wonder why they
> have 6 water canons around each field. Now I can pass that along and
people
> will think I am smart! :-) Do they water it before each game? Is that
why
> the artifical stuff is kind of soft and bouncy?

For a top level game it would be watered before the game and maybe again at
1/2 time, especially in hot weather. We don't have that problem so much in
the UK as its usually cold and wet during the hockey season (winter).

The bounce is down to the construction of the pitch. I don't know the
details but there are several layers to provide some 'give'. The water is
mainly for lubrication. When dry the surface is like sandpaper so there is a
lot of friction making sticks and the ball 'stick' and if you fall over its
like going down on tarmac.

Simon
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