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Grande Mal

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:44 am
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"Thomas" wrote in message

> Grande Mal wrote:
>> "Freedom Elz" wrote in message
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>>>> "Freedom Elz" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
>>>>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
>>>>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
>>>>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43
>>>>> 1.32
>>>>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
>>>>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
>>>>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
>>>>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
>>>>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
>>>>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
>>>>> 10 Daniel Briere
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>>>> Careful. One of these knotheads is soon gonna be leaping about,
>>>> claiming that because Heatley's dad was playing in Germany when he was
>>>> born, he's not really Canadian.
>>> Yeah they've tried that before, I usually just point out that by the
>>> same logic
>>> Paul Stastny is Canadian.
>>
>> Let's take him. I hear Gretz is American now-
>
> Gretzky is as American as Nash is Canadian. Your pick. Either Gretzky is
> American or Nash is South African. You can't have it both ways.
>
> -Thomas

Nah, the whole thing bores me. You pick. You want Gretzky, fine, he's
yours. He's probably irretrievably American by now, anyway. Got the
Hollywood wife, the sunbelt hacienda- hell, I bet his kids can't even spell
'rumour'. He's gone a long way from his dad flooding the backyard rink and
he'll fit in with you guys better now, anyway.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:51 am
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"Thomas" wrote in message

> Freedom Elz wrote:
>> wrote in message
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "pawn" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to worry about: looks like Canada will be able to continue
>>>>> supplying pluggers to the NHL for a while. I mean, let's not get
>>>>> ahead of
>>>>> ourselves here, Canada's 8 game unbeaten record (7 wins and 1
>>>>> tie..coached
>>>>> by a Sutter no less!) in the just finished junior hockey attempt to
>>>>> regain
>>>>> the magic of the '72 Summit Series (to our American friends: that was
>>>>> the
>>>>> ultimate tournament between Canada and Russia - you'd know it better
>>>>> as
>>>>> some meaningless nonsense before your Miracle On Ice) was impressive,
>>>>> but
>>>>> we're only talking about future NHL journeymen here. And before you
>>>>> argue about Canada's dominance of the NHL fluff market, the last 3
>>>>> straight World Junior titles further prove my assertion that we
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> lost our stranglehold on the 4th line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately there's just no way Canada's hockey talent can be
>>>>> compared
>>>>> to uber-talented Russian and other European hockey powers. We accept
>>>>> our
>>>>> new role as hockey backdrop for the real talent coming from Europe.
>>>>> And I
>>>>> don't mean to take away from the greatest hockey development system in
>>>>> the
>>>>> universe (the US college hockey system), but they weren't in the
>>>>> tournament, otherwise, I'm sure the American team would have dominated
>>>>> like they do in all international hockey tournaments.
>>>> Kinda sad, huh? I wonder just when it was we lost our grip on the game
>>>> and
>>>> the Americans took it away from us.
>>>> Oh well. Anyone for curling?
>>>>
>>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>>> Canadian.
>>
>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
>> 10 Daniel Briere
>>
>>
>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>
> Of the top 10 scorers in the league last season, four were Canadian, two
> were European, and four were French-Canadian.
>
> -Thomas

Wow. Aren't you the worldly, cosmopolitan raconteur. Maybe you'd favour us
with your analysis of the French separatist movement in Canada vis-a-vis the
Socialist politics of the Parti Quebecois and the urban-rural demographics
in Quebec.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:59 am
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On Sep 11, 9:32 am, xpene....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:44:57 GMT, "Grande Mal"
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Nah, the whole thing bores me. You pick. You want Gretzky, fine, he's
> >yours. He's probably irretrievably American by now, anyway. Got the
> >Hollywood wife, the sunbelt hacienda- hell, I bet his kids can't even spell
> >'rumour'. He's gone a long way from his dad flooding the backyard rink and
> >he'll fit in with you guys better now, anyway.
>
> Now if he could only run and manage a hockey team. Under his direction
> the Coyotes are in shambles.

When have ever not been in shambles?
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:03 am
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On Sep 11, 12:29 am, Thomas wrote:
> Freedom Elz wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> "pawn" wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> Nothing to worry about: looks like Canada will be able to continue
> >>>> supplying pluggers to the NHL for a while. I mean, let's not get ahead
> >>>> of
> >>>> ourselves here, Canada's 8 game unbeaten record (7 wins and 1
> >>>> tie..coached
> >>>> by a Sutter no less!) in the just finished junior hockey attempt to
> >>>> regain
> >>>> the magic of the '72 Summit Series (to our American friends: that was
> >>>> the
> >>>> ultimate tournament between Canada and Russia - you'd know it better as
> >>>> some meaningless nonsense before your Miracle On Ice) was impressive,
> >>>> but
> >>>> we're only talking about future NHL journeymen here. And before you
> >>>> argue about Canada's dominance of the NHL fluff market, the last 3
> >>>> straight World Junior titles further prove my assertion that we haven't
> >>>> lost our stranglehold on the 4th line.
>
> >>>> Unfortunately there's just no way Canada's hockey talent can be compared
> >>>> to uber-talented Russian and other European hockey powers. We accept
> >>>> our
> >>>> new role as hockey backdrop for the real talent coming from Europe. And
> >>>> I
> >>>> don't mean to take away from the greatest hockey development system in
> >>>> the
> >>>> universe (the US college hockey system), but they weren't in the
> >>>> tournament, otherwise, I'm sure the American team would have dominated
> >>>> like they do in all international hockey tournaments.
> >>> Kinda sad, huh? I wonder just when it was we lost our grip on the game and
> >>> the Americans took it away from us.
> >>> Oh well. Anyone for curling?
>
> >> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
> >> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
> >> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
> >> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
> >> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
> >> Canadian.
>
> > RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
> > 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
> > 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
> > 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
> > 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
> > 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
> > 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
> > 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
> > 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
> > 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
> > 10 Daniel Briere
>
> > Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>
> Of the top 10 scorers in the league last season, four were Canadian, two
> were European, and four were French-Canadian.

French Canadian IS Canadian.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:07 am
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On Sep 11, 9:23 am, xpene... RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:35:55 -0400, "Freedom Elz"
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
> >> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
> >> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
> >> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
> >> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
> >> Canadian.
>
> > RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
> > 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
> > 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
> > 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
> > 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
> > 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
> > 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
> > 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
> > 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
> > 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
> > 10 Daniel Briere
>
> >Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>
> Elz, you guys keeping on pointing to last year as if was the norm when
> it was. French-Canasians are Canadian hockey players unless you don't
> subscribe to the Don Cherry School of Thought.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Okay, here they are from 05-06

RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO%
1 Joe Thornton C SJS 81 29 96 125 31 61 11 0 6 1 195 14.9 21:20 26.0
51.3
2 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 54 69 123 34 72 24 0 9 2 368 14.7 22:04 22.2
16.7
3 Alexander Ovechkin L WSH 81 52 54 106 2 52 21 3 5 2 425 12.2 21:37
24.2 12.5
4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 53 103 29 86 23 2 7 0 300 16.7 21:09 22.3
53.6
5 Daniel Alfredsson R OTT 77 43 60 103 29 50 16 5 8 0 249 17.3 21:41
23.2 20.4
6 Sidney Crosby C PIT 81 39 63 102 -1 110 16 0 5 3 278 14.0 20:07
24.2 45.5
7 Eric Staal C CAR 82 45 55 100 -8 81 19 4 4 0 279 16.1 19:38 25.2
42.6
8 Ilya Kovalchuk L ATL 78 52 46 98 -6 68 27 0 7 0 323 16.1 22:22 22.6
40.4
9 Marc Savard C ATL 82 28 69 97 7 100 14 1 4 2 212 13.2 20:30 24.7
51.6
10 Jonathan Cheechoo


6 of 10 are Canadian.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:10 am
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On Sep 11, 12:30 am, Thomas wrote:
> Freedom Elz wrote:
> > "Grande Mal" wrote in message
> >
> >> "Freedom Elz" wrote in message
> >>
> >>> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
> >>>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
> >>>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
> >>>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
> >>>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
> >>>> Canadian.
> >>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
> >>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
> >>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
> >>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
> >>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
> >>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
> >>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
> >>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
> >>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
> >>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
> >>> 10 Daniel Briere
>
> >>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
> >> Careful. One of these knotheads is soon gonna be leaping about, claiming
> >> that because Heatley's dad was playing in Germany when he was born, he's
> >> not really Canadian.
>
> > Yeah they've tried that before, I usually just point out that by the same
> > logic
> > Paul Stastny is Canadian.
>
> As if that somehow disproves the argument in any way.

Never said it did. What disproves it is the number of players in the
top 10 scorers that are
American. Its usually a nice round figure, but oh yeah, you guys have
taken over the game.

<rolls eyes>
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:23 am
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:35:55 -0400, "Freedom Elz"
wrote:

>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>> Canadian.
>
> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
> 10 Daniel Briere
>
>
>Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>
Elz, you guys keeping on pointing to last year as if was the norm when
it was. French-Canasians are Canadian hockey players unless you don't
subscribe to the Don Cherry School of Thought.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:25 am
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>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>
>Careful. One of these knotheads is soon gonna be leaping about, claiming
>that because Heatley's dad was playing in Germany when he was born, he's not
>really Canadian.
>
Now that Heatly has become proficient at scoring points maybe he can
spend more time learning how to drive safely.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:27 am
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>
>Let's take him. I hear Gretz is American now- we need to replace him
>somehow.
>
Who can keep the whining girly boy.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:32 am
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:44:57 GMT, "Grande Mal"
wrote:


>
>Nah, the whole thing bores me. You pick. You want Gretzky, fine, he's
>yours. He's probably irretrievably American by now, anyway. Got the
>Hollywood wife, the sunbelt hacienda- hell, I bet his kids can't even spell
>'rumour'. He's gone a long way from his dad flooding the backyard rink and
>he'll fit in with you guys better now, anyway.
>
Now if he could only run and manage a hockey team. Under his direction
the Coyotes are in shambles.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:10 pm
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"Freedom Elz" wrote:
> wrote in message

>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>> Canadian.
>
> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
> 10 Daniel Briere
>
>Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.

list by points-per-game and you get eight canadians in the top
eight.

01 Sidney Crosby 1.52
02 Joe Thornton 1.39
03 Jarome Iginla 1.34
04 Vincent Lecavalier 1.32
05 Jason Spezza 1.30
06 Dany Heatley 1.28
07 Martin St. Louis 1.24
08 Joe Sakic 1.22
09 Marian Hossa 1.22
10 Marian Gaborik 1.19




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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:32 pm
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Freedom Elz wrote:
> On Sep 11, 12:30 am, Thomas wrote:
>> Freedom Elz wrote:
>>> "Grande Mal" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Freedom Elz" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>>>>>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>>>>>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>>>>>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>>>>>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>>>>>> Canadian.
>>>>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
>>>>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
>>>>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
>>>>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
>>>>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
>>>>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
>>>>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
>>>>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
>>>>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
>>>>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
>>>>> 10 Daniel Briere
>>>>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>>>> Careful. One of these knotheads is soon gonna be leaping about, claiming
>>>> that because Heatley's dad was playing in Germany when he was born, he's
>>>> not really Canadian.
>>> Yeah they've tried that before, I usually just point out that by the same
>>> logic
>>> Paul Stastny is Canadian.
>> As if that somehow disproves the argument in any way.
>
> Never said it did. What disproves it is the number of players in the
> top 10 scorers that are
> American. Its usually a nice round figure, but oh yeah, you guys have
> taken over the game.
>
> <rolls eyes>

90% of the NHL's top 10 scorers play in the United States.

It's our game. We took it from you a long time ago.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:33 pm
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Freedom Elz wrote:
> On Sep 11, 12:29 am, Thomas wrote:
>> Freedom Elz wrote:
>>> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "pawn" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing to worry about: looks like Canada will be able to continue
>>>>>> supplying pluggers to the NHL for a while. I mean, let's not get ahead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> ourselves here, Canada's 8 game unbeaten record (7 wins and 1
>>>>>> tie..coached
>>>>>> by a Sutter no less!) in the just finished junior hockey attempt to
>>>>>> regain
>>>>>> the magic of the '72 Summit Series (to our American friends: that was
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ultimate tournament between Canada and Russia - you'd know it better as
>>>>>> some meaningless nonsense before your Miracle On Ice) was impressive,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> we're only talking about future NHL journeymen here. And before you
>>>>>> argue about Canada's dominance of the NHL fluff market, the last 3
>>>>>> straight World Junior titles further prove my assertion that we haven't
>>>>>> lost our stranglehold on the 4th line.
>>>>>> Unfortunately there's just no way Canada's hockey talent can be compared
>>>>>> to uber-talented Russian and other European hockey powers. We accept
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> new role as hockey backdrop for the real talent coming from Europe. And
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't mean to take away from the greatest hockey development system in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> universe (the US college hockey system), but they weren't in the
>>>>>> tournament, otherwise, I'm sure the American team would have dominated
>>>>>> like they do in all international hockey tournaments.
>>>>> Kinda sad, huh? I wonder just when it was we lost our grip on the game and
>>>>> the Americans took it away from us.
>>>>> Oh well. Anyone for curling?
>>>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>>>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>>>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>>>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>>>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>>>> Canadian.
>>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
>>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
>>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
>>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
>>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
>>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
>>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
>>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
>>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
>>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
>>> 10 Daniel Briere
>>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>> Of the top 10 scorers in the league last season, four were Canadian, two
>> were European, and four were French-Canadian.
>
> French Canadian IS Canadian.
>

Not if you ask them.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:33 pm
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Grande Mal wrote:
> "Thomas" wrote in message
>
>> Freedom Elz wrote:
>>> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:43 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "pawn" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing to worry about: looks like Canada will be able to continue
>>>>>> supplying pluggers to the NHL for a while. I mean, let's not get
>>>>>> ahead of
>>>>>> ourselves here, Canada's 8 game unbeaten record (7 wins and 1
>>>>>> tie..coached
>>>>>> by a Sutter no less!) in the just finished junior hockey attempt to
>>>>>> regain
>>>>>> the magic of the '72 Summit Series (to our American friends: that was
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ultimate tournament between Canada and Russia - you'd know it better
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> some meaningless nonsense before your Miracle On Ice) was impressive,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> we're only talking about future NHL journeymen here. And before you
>>>>>> argue about Canada's dominance of the NHL fluff market, the last 3
>>>>>> straight World Junior titles further prove my assertion that we
>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> lost our stranglehold on the 4th line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately there's just no way Canada's hockey talent can be
>>>>>> compared
>>>>>> to uber-talented Russian and other European hockey powers. We accept
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> new role as hockey backdrop for the real talent coming from Europe.
>>>>>> And I
>>>>>> don't mean to take away from the greatest hockey development system in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> universe (the US college hockey system), but they weren't in the
>>>>>> tournament, otherwise, I'm sure the American team would have dominated
>>>>>> like they do in all international hockey tournaments.
>>>>> Kinda sad, huh? I wonder just when it was we lost our grip on the game
>>>>> and
>>>>> the Americans took it away from us.
>>>>> Oh well. Anyone for curling?
>>>>>
>>>> What's the matter? Don't you two ever learn? How about showing me one
>>>> 4th line in the NHL that is composed entirely of Non-Candians.
>>>> Using your standard of points scored as to how good a player is last
>>>> season was the first in six there were Canadians in the Rob Five than
>>>> non. Of the 20 worse scorers in the NHL that played 40+ games 75% were
>>>> Canadian.
>>> RK Player Pos Team GP G A P +/- ESP SHP PwPP HmP RdP ODvP DvP P/G
>>> 1 Sidney Crosby C PIT 79 36 84 120 10 59 0 61 64 56 71 49 1.52
>>> 2 Joe Thornton C SJS 82 22 92 114 24 60 0 54 65 49 72 42 1.39
>>> 3 Vincent Lecavalier C TBL 82 52 56 108 2 63 9 36 47 61 65 43 1.32
>>> 4 Dany Heatley R OTT 82 50 55 105 31 62 4 39 50 55 56 49 1.28
>>> 5 Martin St. Louis R TBL 82 43 59 102 7 61 11 30 46 56 56 46 1.24
>>> 6 Marian Hossa R ATL 82 43 57 100 18 52 4 44 59 41 67 33 1.22
>>> 7 Joe Sakic C COL 82 36 64 100 2 57 0 43 52 48 64 36 1.22
>>> 8 Jaromir Jagr R NYR 82 30 66 96 26 55 0 41 57 39 62 34 1.17
>>> 9 Marc Savard C BOS 82 22 74 96 -19 46 1 49 49 47 63 33 1.17
>>> 10 Daniel Briere
>>>
>>>
>>> Of the top 10 scores in the league last season, 80% were Canadian.
>> Of the top 10 scorers in the league last season, four were Canadian, two
>> were European, and four were French-Canadian.
>>
>> -Thomas
>
> Wow. Aren't you the worldly, cosmopolitan raconteur. Maybe you'd favour us
> with your analysis of the French separatist movement in Canada vis-a-vis the
> Socialist politics of the Parti Quebecois and the urban-rural demographics
> in Quebec.

We've already beaten that horse to death here.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:42 pm
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:59:27 -0700, Freedom Elz
wrote:

>On Sep 11, 9:32 am, xpene... DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:44:57 GMT, "Grande Mal"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Nah, the whole thing bores me. You pick. You want Gretzky, fine, he's
>> >yours. He's probably irretrievably American by now, anyway. Got the
>> >Hollywood wife, the sunbelt hacienda- hell, I bet his kids can't even spell
>> >'rumour'. He's gone a long way from his dad flooding the backyard rink and
>> >he'll fit in with you guys better now, anyway.
>>
>> Now if he could only run and manage a hockey team. Under his direction
>> the Coyotes are in shambles.
>
>When have ever not been in shambles?
Well they at least use to make the playoffs. IIRC you use to rag on
Boyd Devereau (sp) who Gretzky promptly sign after the Wings let him
go.
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