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Thomas

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:05 pm
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And I am being serious and honest here.

Nikolai Zherdev.

At this point, it wouldn't take much to pry him away from C-Bus. He
hasn't been any good at all, but he is still absolutely loaded with
talent. His $2.5m cap number is high for what he has produced, but low
for what he could produce in the right situation, and fits under the cap
for the Wings anyway.

The kid is still just 22 years old. He lit things up in Russia every
time he played there, and put up 54pts in 05-06 with Columbus. Last
year, they didn't keep him on a scoring line for the entire year, and
they didn't even put him out there on the top PP unit. His play was a
big reason why he was demoted, but he also doesn't get along with Hitchcock.

I wouldn't imagine it would cost too much more than a high pick and a
prospect to acquire him. Perhaps something like Kindl, a 2nd and a
conditional pick. Maybe a bit more, I don't know.

Regardless, this kid is just begging to be picked up by another team,
where he can fulfill his potential.

For as bad as Detroit is at the draft table, they are very good at
taking other teams' busts and turning them into something nearly
resembling what they were supposed to become. Given what they got out of
a piker like Cleary, imagine what you'd have if you could get Zherdev to
play up to his potential.

Bash away.

-Thomas

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:05 pm
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Yanno, Thommy-
Jimeny crickets- I agree!

Well, except for the previous post. I think they DO have a plan. The
dash to the finish. How good a plan? Well, there's where a fortune
teller on the payroll comes in ;{)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:28 pm
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:05:42 -0400, Thomas <noneman.DeleteThis@none.man> wrote:

>
>And I am being serious and honest here.
>
>Nikolai Zherdev.
>
>At this point, it wouldn't take much to pry him away from C-Bus. He
>hasn't been any good at all, but he is still absolutely loaded with
>talent. His $2.5m cap number is high for what he has produced, but low
>for what he could produce in the right situation, and fits under the cap
>for the Wings anyway.
>
>The kid is still just 22 years old. He lit things up in Russia every
>time he played there, and put up 54pts in 05-06 with Columbus. Last
>year, they didn't keep him on a scoring line for the entire year, and
>they didn't even put him out there on the top PP unit. His play was a
>big reason why he was demoted, but he also doesn't get along with Hitchcock.
>
>I wouldn't imagine it would cost too much more than a high pick and a
>prospect to acquire him. Perhaps something like Kindl, a 2nd and a
>conditional pick. Maybe a bit more, I don't know.

Two problems:

1. Holland isn't going to deal Kindl.
2. The cap hit would strip away half of what Holland is holding to
pick up goal scoring at the deadline, where $5 million acts like a lot
more than $5 million.

I've said it since the summer, but the plan is this:

1. Take advantage of the eak division
2. Play the kids and sort 'em out
3. Keep Hasek healthy
4. Add goals at the deadline

It's also worth noting that, for all of the gnashing of teeth over
Detroit's departed second line, they kept 87.5% of their top 16 goal
scorers from last year.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:12 pm
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"Thomas" <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote in message
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>
> And I am being serious and honest here.
>
> Nikolai Zherdev.

The team already has a Zherdev. His name is Hudler. It almost kills
Babcock to have one such player on the squad. Two would send him over the
edge into gibbering insanity.

HD.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:51 pm
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"Thomas" <noneman.DeleteThis@none.man> wrote in message
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>
> And I am being serious and honest here.
>
> Nikolai Zherdev.
>
> At this point, it wouldn't take much to pry him away from C-Bus. He hasn't
> been any good at all, but he is still absolutely loaded with talent. His
> $2.5m cap number is high for what he has produced, but low for what he
> could produce in the right situation, and fits under the cap for the Wings
> anyway.
>
> The kid is still just 22 years old. He lit things up in Russia every time
> he played there, and put up 54pts in 05-06 with Columbus. Last year, they
> didn't keep him on a scoring line for the entire year, and they didn't
> even put him out there on the top PP unit. His play was a big reason why
> he was demoted, but he also doesn't get along with Hitchcock.
>
> I wouldn't imagine it would cost too much more than a high pick and a
> prospect to acquire him. Perhaps something like Kindl, a 2nd and a
> conditional pick. Maybe a bit more, I don't know.
>
> Regardless, this kid is just begging to be picked up by another team,
> where he can fulfill his potential.
>
> For as bad as Detroit is at the draft table, they are very good at taking
> other teams' busts and turning them into something nearly resembling what
> they were supposed to become. Given what they got out of a piker like
> Cleary, imagine what you'd have if you could get Zherdev to play up to his
> potential.
>
> Bash away.


Taken from an article today at SI.com

3. The I Wouldn't Trade For Him With Your Draft Picks Award: Nikolai Zherdev
(Blue Jackets)

He went fourth overall in 2003, ahead of Thomas Vanek, Dion Phaneuf and a
dozen more blue-chippers. Just four years later, Zherdev is an albatross
around the neck of the Jackets, and the league's most frustrating cocktail
of talent and non-performance. He was brutal in the preseason, further
reducing whatever market might have existed for his services, so he's likely
to be Ken Hitchcock's problem for the foreseeable future. The NHL is
littered with reclamation projects, but Zherdev might be one player who
won't get a second chance.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:07 pm
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WalkinDude wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:05:42 -0400, Thomas <noneman RemoveThis @none.man> wrote:
>
>> And I am being serious and honest here.
>>
>> Nikolai Zherdev.
>>
>> At this point, it wouldn't take much to pry him away from C-Bus. He
>> hasn't been any good at all, but he is still absolutely loaded with
>> talent. His $2.5m cap number is high for what he has produced, but low
>> for what he could produce in the right situation, and fits under the cap
>> for the Wings anyway.
>>
>> The kid is still just 22 years old. He lit things up in Russia every
>> time he played there, and put up 54pts in 05-06 with Columbus. Last
>> year, they didn't keep him on a scoring line for the entire year, and
>> they didn't even put him out there on the top PP unit. His play was a
>> big reason why he was demoted, but he also doesn't get along with Hitchcock.
>>
>> I wouldn't imagine it would cost too much more than a high pick and a
>> prospect to acquire him. Perhaps something like Kindl, a 2nd and a
>> conditional pick. Maybe a bit more, I don't know.
>
> Two problems:
>
> 1. Holland isn't going to deal Kindl.

Says who?

> 2. The cap hit would strip away half of what Holland is holding to
> pick up goal scoring at the deadline, where $5 million acts like a lot
> more than $5 million.

Right, but it would solidify a scoring line, and Holland could work to
build a second one over the course of a season.

Whatever though.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:08 pm
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HockeyinHD wrote:
> "Thomas" <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote in message
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>> And I am being serious and honest here.
>>
>> Nikolai Zherdev.
>
> The team already has a Zherdev. His name is Hudler.

Not even remotely similar.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:50 pm
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:07:30 -0400, Thomas <noneman.RemoveThis@none.man> wrote:

>>> Nikolai Zherdev.
>>>
>>> At this point, it wouldn't take much to pry him away from C-Bus. He
>>> hasn't been any good at all, but he is still absolutely loaded with
>>> talent. His $2.5m cap number is high for what he has produced, but low
>>> for what he could produce in the right situation, and fits under the cap
>>> for the Wings anyway.
>>>
>>> The kid is still just 22 years old. He lit things up in Russia every
>>> time he played there, and put up 54pts in 05-06 with Columbus. Last
>>> year, they didn't keep him on a scoring line for the entire year, and
>>> they didn't even put him out there on the top PP unit. His play was a
>>> big reason why he was demoted, but he also doesn't get along with Hitchcock.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't imagine it would cost too much more than a high pick and a
>>> prospect to acquire him. Perhaps something like Kindl, a 2nd and a
>>> conditional pick. Maybe a bit more, I don't know.
>>
>> Two problems:
>>
>> 1. Holland isn't going to deal Kindl.
>
>Says who?

Says me. I just said it. It's right there.

>> 2. The cap hit would strip away half of what Holland is holding to
>> pick up goal scoring at the deadline, where $5 million acts like a lot
>> more than $5 million.
>
>Right, but it would solidify a scoring line, and Holland could work to
>build a second one over the course of a season.
>
>Whatever though.

The kid's an underachieving floater. If Hitchcock doesn't like him,
Babcock would flat-out kill him. Hell, Babcock may yet kill Hudler.

I'll say this again: The Wings return 14 of their top 16 goal scorers
from a team that went to the Western Conference Finals. With this
defense, and a healthy Hasek, this is a team that is much more
comfortable winning 2-1 than in years past.

If they need scoring, they'll grab it at the deadline.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:14 am
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On 10/4/2007 Bushay wrote:
> Just four years later, Zherdev is an albatross
> around the neck of the Jackets, and the league's most frustrating
> cocktail of talent and non-performance.

He's on the same team as Sergie Fedorov, how maddening must it be for
Hitchcock to watch those 2 guys float around.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:00 pm
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"Thomas" <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote in message
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> HockeyinHD wrote:
>> "Thomas" <noneman.TakeThisOut@none.man> wrote in message
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>>> And I am being serious and honest here.
>>>
>>> Nikolai Zherdev.
>>
>> The team already has a Zherdev. His name is Hudler.
>
> Not even remotely similar.

Okay.

HD.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:19 pm
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"Thomas" <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote in message
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> Tom wrote:
>> On 10/4/2007 Bushay wrote:
>>> Just four years later, Zherdev is an albatross around the neck of the
>>> Jackets, and the league's most frustrating cocktail of talent and
>>> non-performance.
>>
>> He's on the same team as Sergie Fedorov, how maddening must it be for
>> Hitchcock to watch those 2 guys float around.
>
> That's funny. When he was a Wing, he was the best player in the NHL,
> better than Forsberg, and gave his all at both ends of the ice.

LOL! You beat me to the buzzer on this one. Back when I called him
Floater-ov
the homers were all over me, now that he's gone they accept his
shortcomings.

Wonderful.

I should be seeing references to the DUI-minator making snow angels some day
soon.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:12 pm
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"Freedom Elz" <kred DeleteThis @tifle.net> wrote in message
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> "Thomas" <noneman DeleteThis @none.man> wrote in message
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>> Tom wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2007 Bushay wrote:
>>>> Just four years later, Zherdev is an albatross around the neck of the
>>>> Jackets, and the league's most frustrating cocktail of talent and
>>>> non-performance.
>>>
>>> He's on the same team as Sergie Fedorov, how maddening must it be for
>>> Hitchcock to watch those 2 guys float around.
>>
>> That's funny. When he was a Wing, he was the best player in the NHL,
>> better than Forsberg, and gave his all at both ends of the ice.
>
> LOL! You beat me to the buzzer on this one. Back when I called him
> Floater-ov
> the homers were all over me, now that he's gone they accept his
> shortcomings.


Well, it wasnt me who said it but, comparing his point totals...
91...78
92 86
93...87
94...120
95... 50 42gp
96...107
97...63 74 gp
98...17 21 gp
99...63 77gp
00...62 68gp
01...69
02...68
03...83

Fedorov had one 65 point season with 80 gp and two others with point totals
in the lower 40's.

I'd say your proof is right there in the numbers. If anyone knocked Ferorov
when he left...it was justified.






> Wonderful.
>
> I should be seeing references to the DUI-minator making snow angels some
> day
> soon.

Well, in January he'll be 43. Just how long were you gonna wait?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:14 pm
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Freedom Elz wrote:
> LOL! You beat me to the buzzer on this one. Back when I called him
> Floater-ov the homers were all over me, now that he's gone they accept his
> shortcomings.
>
> Wonderful.

Just so we're all on the same page, so far *I* was the only one in this
group to call Fedorov a floater. You'll need a much bigger sample set of
Wings fans calling him a floater before you can say "they accept his
shortcomings".

However, this is obviously a big day for you, so I won't ruin it with
trite little facts.

> I should be seeing references to the DUI-minator making snow angels some day
> soon.

We're all calling him DUI-minator already! It's, like, totally awesome
and everyone loves it. Seriously.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:32 am
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HockeyinHD wrote:
> "Santeri Pienimaki" <iretnas.TakeThisOut@iki.fi.invalid> wrote in message
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>> head buried in sand, HockeyinHD <hidden.TakeThisOut@home.com> spat:
>>
> Fetisov was an Uber-Konstantinov, and had he had a full career I feel Vladdy
> would have been a top 15 all time dman, at least.

Depends on how you rate them. If you rate them like they do the Norris,
then no, he wouldn't have been close top top 15.

But if you rated him based on what he was, his defensive ability, his
value to the team and relative to others at his position over the span
of his career, he would have been top 10 ever.

-Thomas
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