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Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 66
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:07 pm
Post subject: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to think of DW Archived from groups: alt>sports>hockey>nhl>sj-sharks (more info?)
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His trading last year wasn't great, but the year before it was. He has
some picks with big potential. Michalek appears to be a win. Bernier
could still be, but could go either way.
He appears to believe that he can trade multiple picks on draft day
for a single higher pick indefinately, with no ill effect to the
organization. This remains to be seen. Other teams like Detroit have
made some very good picks in the late rounds. If this years draft was
so weak, why did he trade picks from the next two years to move up
this year to #28, and again he traded two for one twice.
Not saying he's blowing it, only that it's a pretty unorthodox
strategy that I admit I can't quite wrap my head around.
Meanwhile the Philly paper keeps insisting that Drury is coming to SJ. >> Stay informed about: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to.. |
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Since: Mar 27, 2006 Posts: 32
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:07 pm
Post subject: Re: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to think of DW [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Mr. T" said:
> His trading last year wasn't great, but the year before it was. He has
> some picks with big potential. Michalek appears to be a win. Bernier
> could still be, but could go either way.
>
> He appears to believe that he can trade multiple picks on draft day
> for a single higher pick indefinately, with no ill effect to the
> organization. This remains to be seen. Other teams like Detroit have
> made some very good picks in the late rounds. If this years draft was
> so weak, why did he trade picks from the next two years to move up
> this year to #28, and again he traded two for one twice.
>
> Not saying he's blowing it, only that it's a pretty unorthodox
> strategy that I admit I can't quite wrap my head around.
>
> Meanwhile the Philly paper keeps insisting that Drury is coming to SJ.
I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson was to sign Drury, but I don't believe the
reports which say Marleau will be gone if Drury is signed. It has been
Wilson's pattern to sign players when they are having a bad week. At any
rate, Marleau proved he can play LW last year, and barring a trade for a
premium defender, I can't see Wilson trading him.
As for Wilson's draft prowess, if nothing else it served to confuse the
comparisons. OK, I will try. He got the 8 guys they drafted, Rivet, and a
4th round pick in 2009, for Toskala, Bell, Parker, all their draft picks
this year, and a 2nd round pick next year. I think. We'll call the NJ
trade and Guerin essentially the rights to Koryluk and Fahey for Guerin's
services in the playoffs. I may have got the 2 first round picks backwards,
but who cares, this is about what they got.
I'd say this was an expensive way to move up in a weak draft. But of course
if Couture and Petrecki pan out, all will be forgiven... We all thought
trading Kipper was looking like a horrible trade, but they have Vlasic for a
long time before he is eligible for UFA, so this trade is still up in the
air, although its hard to imagine we will ever call this one in the Sharks
favor. It does show the value of an early 2nd round draft pick, if its a
good selection.
I think Wilson could have got more for Toskala at the trade deadline, but he
didn't have a desperate partner. He gambled on that, and lost. But he got
something for him, and I don't know that he could have got more. Bell's
value was so self-diminished that he was probably a net negative (Wilson got
less for Toskala for TO to take Bell off their hands). I fully expect him
to bounce back, particularly if TO plays him at center, but I'm glad he is
gone. The Sharks can't afford to have any passengers...
Back to drafting, the value of d-men is so high right now, I think I would
concentrate my drafting efforts on the blue line every year, and depend on
the UFA market for help in the front.
Lastly, I would sign Hannan or Stuart. >> Stay informed about: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to.. |
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Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 66
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:57 pm
Post subject: Re: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to think of DW [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jun 25, 2:32 pm, "Duane" <letskee... DeleteThis @posting4now.com> wrote:
> "Mr. T" said:
>
> > His trading last year wasn't great, but the year before it was. He has
> > some picks with big potential. Michalek appears to be a win. Bernier
> > could still be, but could go either way.
>
> > He appears to believe that he can trade multiple picks on draft day
> > for a single higher pick indefinately, with no ill effect to the
> > organization. This remains to be seen. Other teams like Detroit have
> > made some very good picks in the late rounds. If this years draft was
> > so weak, why did he trade picks from the next two years to move up
> > this year to #28, and again he traded two for one twice.
>
> > Not saying he's blowing it, only that it's a pretty unorthodox
> > strategy that I admit I can't quite wrap my head around.
>
> > Meanwhile the Philly paper keeps insisting that Drury is coming to SJ.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson was to sign Drury, but I don't believe the
> reports which say Marleau will be gone if Drury is signed. It has been
> Wilson's pattern to sign players when they are having a bad week. At any
> rate, Marleau proved he can play LW last year, and barring a trade for a
> premium defender, I can't see Wilson trading him.
Thanks for taking a crack at making sense of it all.
Also, I think my cap analysis was pretty close, as the NJ guy is not
on the payroll any more, and I read in another blog that my $9-10
million estimate is pretty close.
So, the next obvious question is do they go after a highly priced
defensive stud, or maybe they can afford to get both Drury and like
you say sign either Hannan or a suitable replacement. Then again the
difference between Drury's price and that of some of the top D might
not end up being that much.
I may be in the minority on this one, but unless you feel Setogutchi
is ready to be an impact 2nd line player then I would probably go the
Drury route as they simply must maximize their top two lines, their
potential greatest strength. Every key guy they can add to the top 6
makes every other guy that much more dangerous and effective. >> Stay informed about: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to.. |
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Since: Mar 27, 2006 Posts: 32
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:39 am
Post subject: Re: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to think of DW [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Mr. T" said:
> Also, I think my cap analysis was pretty close, as the NJ guy is not
> on the payroll any more, and I read in another blog that my $9-10
> million estimate is pretty close.
My cap analysis says they are at approximately 38.5M now after the Rivet
signing, and if the cap does indeed go to $49M, they have $10M to spend.
But my number does not include: Smith, Guerin, Plihal, Darche, Hannan,
Davison and Patzold. It does include Setoguchi, who I think will malke the
team. With Toskala gone, they will have to sign a backup, probably Patzold
who is an RFA. I'm sure they will sign Davison for depth. They will have
$9M+ after those signings.
The real problem will be if the team doesn't want to spend that close to the
cap, beause (they say) they are losing money. In that case, they may be
about finished signing anyone. And if they do sign Drury, they may have to
think about trading Marleau. We'll see.
An even bigger problem looms next summer with Joe, and Marleau needing to be
signed, and a whole bunch of low cost guys being RFAs and wanting raises
including Clowe, Michalek, Bernier, Rissmiller, Carle, and Ehrhoff. So even
if the Sharks do decide to spend to the cap this season, next season the
team will hit the cap wall and major surgery will be needed... Wilson will
need to decide this year which of these guys are long term keepers, and
which need to be monetized. >> Stay informed about: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to.. |
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Since: Mar 27, 2006 Posts: 32
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:49 am
Post subject: Re: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to think of DW [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I said:
"> My cap analysis says they are at approximately 38.5M now after the Rivet
> signing, and if the cap does indeed go to $49M, they have $10M to spend.
I accidently included Bell. Argh! So the real number is closer to $36.3M
at the moment. The rest of my comments hold true. They have enough to sign
Drury and a defenseman such Hannan or someone else, as well as a few
affordable signings, if they are willing to spend to the new cap, which they
probably won't want to do. >> Stay informed about: It's been a long time and I still don't know quite what to.. |
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