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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:47 pm
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Usually scoring a goal negates an delayed penalty. Why were they
given a PP when the tripped player scored?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

PP RemoveThis @2K.com wrote: > Usually scoring a goal negates an delayed penalty. That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. The rule was changed to eliminate that. Bob >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: > That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In > effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while > already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. > > The rule was changed to eliminate that. I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:55:54 -0800 (PST), Bender wrote: >On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In >> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >> >> The rule was changed to eliminate that. > >I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped >out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. The rule of thumb is that the penalty with the least amount of time expires first. In that respect it follows along perfectly with the spirit of the rule. >I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >logically it doesn't really fit into the game. Didn't see the game but from what I'm reading , rule 15.4 addresses today's situation pefectly. Timmy >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

wrote in message > Usually scoring a goal negates an delayed penalty. Why were they > given a PP when the tripped player scored? Dubinsky shouldn't have been in the box to begin with. The Ref saw Dubinsky coming down with his stick, what he didn't see because his veiw was blocked by the Boston player was Dubinsky stopping his stick before it hit the Boston player. >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Bender wrote: > On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In >> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >> >> The rule was changed to eliminate that. > > I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed > penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep > going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped > out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. > > I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but > logically it doesn't really fit into the game. Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty would be wiped out. Nothing different here. Bob >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Bob Levine wrote: > Bender wrote: >> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In >>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>> >>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >> >> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped >> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >> >> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. > > Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty would > be wiped out. Nothing different here. > > Bob In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the team scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

FDR wrote: > Bob Levine wrote: >> Bender wrote: >>> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In >>>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >>>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>>> >>>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >>> >>> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >>> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >>> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped >>> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >>> >>> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >>> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >> >> Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty would >> be wiped out. Nothing different here. >> >> Bob > > In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the team > scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. Because it IS different. Bob >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Bob Levine wrote: > FDR wrote: >> Bob Levine wrote: >>> Bender wrote: >>>> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>>>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good move. In >>>>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >>>>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>>>> >>>>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >>>> >>>> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >>>> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >>>> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped >>>> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >>>> >>>> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >>>> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >>> >>> Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty >>> would be wiped out. Nothing different here. >>> >>> Bob >> >> In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the team >> scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. > > Because it IS different. > > Bob Ok Bob. >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

FDR wrote: > Bob Levine wrote: >> FDR wrote: >>> Bob Levine wrote: >>>> Bender wrote: >>>>> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>>>>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good >>>>>> move. In >>>>>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty while >>>>>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>>>>> >>>>>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >>>>> >>>>> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >>>>> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >>>>> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was wiped >>>>> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >>>>> >>>>> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >>>>> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >>>> >>>> Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty >>>> would be wiped out. Nothing different here. >>>> >>>> Bob >>> >>> In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the team >>> scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. >> >> Because it IS different. >> >> Bob > > Ok Bob. Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the box? Bob >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Bob Levine wrote: > FDR wrote: >> Bob Levine wrote: >>> FDR wrote: >>>> Bob Levine wrote: >>>>> Bender wrote: >>>>>> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>>>>>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good >>>>>>> move. In >>>>>>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty >>>>>>> while >>>>>>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >>>>>> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >>>>>> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was >>>>>> wiped >>>>>> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >>>>>> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >>>>> >>>>> Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty >>>>> would be wiped out. Nothing different here. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>> >>>> In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the >>>> team scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. >>> >>> Because it IS different. >>> >>> Bob >> >> Ok Bob. > > Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the > box? > > Bob It wasn't a 5 on 3 though. It was a delayed penalty and only one was in the box. >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:00:10 -0500, FDR wrote: >Bob Levine wrote: >> FDR wrote: >>> Bob Levine wrote: >>>> FDR wrote: >>>>> Bob Levine wrote: >>>>>> Bender wrote: >>>>>>> On Jan 19, 12:51 pm, Bob Levine wrote: >>>>>>>> That rule was changed several years ago and IMO it was a good >>>>>>>> move. In >>>>>>>> effect, if you fouled someone who scored on the delayed penalty >>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>> already on a power play the goal wiped out two penalties. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rule was changed to eliminate that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think what people logically expect to happen is that the delayed >>>>>>> penalty would be wiped out, but the original penalty would keep >>>>>>> going. What actually happened was that the original penalty was >>>>>>> wiped >>>>>>> out, and the delayed penalty counted for its full time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't doubt that that's the correct call by the rulebook, but >>>>>>> logically it doesn't really fit into the game. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure it does. If there was no delayed call, the original penalty >>>>>> would be wiped out. Nothing different here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> In any circumstance, a delayed penalty would be wiped out of the >>>>> team scored. I don't know why this situation is any different. >>>> >>>> Because it IS different. >>>> >>>> Bob >>> >>> Ok Bob. >> >> Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the >> box? >> >> Bob > >It wasn't a 5 on 3 though. It was a delayed penalty and only one was in >the box. This is real entertainment. ;-) peace, Rog http://republicanforaday.com/ >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:10 GMT, Bob Levine wrote: >Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the box? Depends, you have to be more specific. Timmy >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Tim B wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:10 GMT, Bob Levine > wrote: > >> Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the box? > > Depends, you have to be more specific. Please don't call me Depends. Bob >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: why a power play after that last goal? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Bob Levine" wrote in message > Tim B wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:10 GMT, Bob Levine >> wrote: >> >>> Look, if it was a 5 on 3 and they scored, which player comes out of the >>> box? >> >> Depends, you have to be more specific. > > Please don't call me Depends. Yeah!! Just because he wears them it don't make it right. :-( >> Stay informed about: why a power play after that last goal?

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