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SBH

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:11 am
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As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
who would you like to see go or stay and why?

Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
organization.

Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.

Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
in for his experience and determination.

Hudler: Yes. Has progressed more so this year even with little playing
time. He can still learn more and will be a great asset.

Lang: No. Just wasn't showing up this year. Had some good moments but
no longer the force he was in the past.

Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.

Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
this team.

Hasek: No. I've indicated in here prior to the season when they signed
him I didn't feel comfortable with his style of play. Yes, he played
well, made a few outstanding plays and had a good season, but once
again, the same as in 2002, I believe his GAA and Save % were good due
to the solid defense of the Wings. I also believe he was more lucky
than good when he flopped to make saves. His habit of coming out of
the net and flopping, IMO cost a few goals that could have been a
deciding factor in games. He makes the team work harder for goals. If
you view game 6, he flops and has no idea where the puck is. Because
of this, it cost two goals. I prefer a goalie who will make an effort
to find the puck instead of "hoping" it's under him.
Also, as he becomes older, there's an increase injury factor for his
groin as well as other potential injuries.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:36 pm
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On 24 May 2007 10:11:45 -0700, SBH wrote:

>As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
>who would you like to see go or stay and why?
>
>Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
>the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
>organization.

Only on the cheap, cheap, cheap. Anything over a few bucks and I'll
pass. We keep hoping to see the '02 version of Todd Bertuzzi out
there, but that guy's long gone.

I still think, based on what we gave up, he was worth the gamble at
the time.

>Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
>choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
>introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
>and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.

Talk about a big splash followed by a complete disappearing act.
Adios, Kyle.

>Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
>positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
>in for his experience and determination.

Still one of the best penalty-killing d-men in the league. He can
play here til he's 50.

>Hudler: Yes. Has progressed more so this year even with little playing
>time. He can still learn more and will be a great asset.

He needs a solid season on a scoring line to see what he can do. If
he isn't doing it by the trade deadline, package him off for a bag of
pucks.

>Lang: No. Just wasn't showing up this year. Had some good moments but
>no longer the force he was in the past.

Agreed. The guy has a lot of skill, but he simply does not skate
hard.

>Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
>the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.

Love Markov. Definitely.

>Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
>this team.

Only if we can manage the right salary for him. In a perfect world,
I'd like to see him stick for a year or two until Kindl's ready.

>Hasek: No. I've indicated in here prior to the season when they signed
>him I didn't feel comfortable with his style of play. Yes, he played
>well, made a few outstanding plays and had a good season, but once
>again, the same as in 2002, I believe his GAA and Save % were good due
>to the solid defense of the Wings. I also believe he was more lucky
>than good when he flopped to make saves. His habit of coming out of
>the net and flopping, IMO cost a few goals that could have been a
>deciding factor in games. He makes the team work harder for goals. If
>you view game 6, he flops and has no idea where the puck is. Because
>of this, it cost two goals. I prefer a goalie who will make an effort
>to find the puck instead of "hoping" it's under him.
>Also, as he becomes older, there's an increase injury factor for his
>groin as well as other potential injuries.

If Holland can sign him to the same type of incentive-laden deal, I'll
take him. It'll buy Howard one more year of seasoning and give us the
flexibility to go fishing for a goalie at the deadline if Hasek's
groin bursts.

He was one of the 3 or 4 best Red Wings this year and a major reason
we didn't bow out in the first round (Manny Legace, can you hear me?).
I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:17 pm
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WalkinDude wrote:
> On 24 May 2007 10:11:45 -0700, SBH wrote:
>
>> As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
>> who would you like to see go or stay and why?
>>
>> Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
>> the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
>> organization.
>
> Only on the cheap, cheap, cheap. Anything over a few bucks and I'll
> pass. We keep hoping to see the '02 version of Todd Bertuzzi out
> there, but that guy's long gone.
>
> I still think, based on what we gave up, he was worth the gamble at
> the time.

Definitely. Great move. Still.

Similar to the Fleury deal, really. Didn't work out, but it was still a
great trade.

>
>> Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
>> choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
>> introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
>> and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.
>
> Talk about a big splash followed by a complete disappearing act.

NOBODY saw that coming.

Oh wait. Elz did.


>> Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
>> positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
>> in for his experience and determination.
>
> Still one of the best penalty-killing d-men in the league. He can
> play here til he's 50.

....then head to Colorado and play another ten years before taking over
as player-coach.

-Thomas
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:02 am
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"SBH" wrote in message

> As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
> who would you like to see go or stay and why?

I'd like to see you go. I don't know why, maybe just because you're annoyng.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:11 am
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> I'd like to see you go. I don't know why, maybe just because you're
> annoyng.
>

LMAO...some wishes just can't be granted Mally boy. Keep clicking your Ruby
red slippers and wishing, but don't expect any results.

Now, run along. You're girlfriend Tommy is calling you.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:17 am
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On May 24, 1:11 pm, SBH wrote:
> As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
> who would you like to see go or stay and why?

Okay, I'll post from two perspectives on this, what I hope the wings
will do
and what I would want them to do if I was a fan of team eurosoft.


> Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
> the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
> organization.

My hope: Bring him back, the guy is done. He only ever had one great
season, now he can only put together one game of that calibre out
of every 10 played. He's damaged mentally from the Moore incident,
but he teases fans/coaches by making it look as though he can go back
to the style of play that made him successful. He can't, so sign him
to a 4 years deal worth $20 million.

If I were a fan: See ya later chump.


> Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
> choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
> introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
> and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.

My Hope: This guy isn't significant enough to have an impact either
way so see ya later chump.

If I were a fan: See ya later chump


> Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
> positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
> in for his experience and determination.

My Hope: I'm torn, sooner or later this guy is going to completely
implode and embarass
the hell out of himself, so I want him to stay. OTOH, he's still
effective so I want him to go.

If I were a fan: Re-sign him

> Hudler: Yes. Has progressed more so this year even with little playing
> time. He can still learn more and will be a great asset.

My Hope: Who cares, he's a bust.
If I were a fan: Who cares, he's a bust


> Lang: No. Just wasn't showing up this year. Had some good moments but
> no longer the force he was in the past.

My Hope: He's such a prolific eurofsoftie floater that he must be re-
signed, its critical.
If I were a fan: Dump his soft euro ass and hop the door hits him on
the way out



> Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
> the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.

My Hope: I could care less, he's insignificant
If I were a fan: I could care less, he's insignificant


> Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
> this team.

My Hope: Someone will offer him big bucks and he'll leave town, I
think
its pretty likely since this will be the last big contrat opportunity
he'll have

If I were a fan: Having him back is a must.



> Hasek: No. I've indicated in here prior to the season when they signed
> him I didn't feel comfortable with his style of play.

My Hope: That Ken Holland is stupid enough to bring him back,
hopefully
on a multi year deal.

If I were a fan: I'd want him gone and a goaltender brought in that
can be the
starter for more than just one season. Musical goaltenders is one of
the reasons
this team can't reach the cup.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:25 pm
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"SBH" wrote in message

> As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
> who would you like to see go or stay and why?
>
> Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
> the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
> organization.

Yes for the right price he will be great. Size alone is the best factor for
me. He said all the right things in the Free Press- my new home here, love
it here and he's close to his permanent home in Kitchener, Ont.

>
> Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
> choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
> introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
> and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.

He should go- didn't work out.
>
> Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
> positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
> in for his experience and determination.

Love to have Chelios back again. He joked in SI he can play 'til he's
fifty- I believe it. He's been great for Markov, big help.

>
> Hudler: Yes. Has progressed more so this year even with little playing
> time. He can still learn more and will be a great asset.

Definitely yes. This kid has great potential
>
> Lang: No. Just wasn't showing up this year. Had some good moments but
> no longer the force he was in the past.

Lang better not be back.
>
> Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
> the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.

Markov is one of my new favourites- his aggressiveness is what I like. He
seems to be alot like his brother and I see a big jump for him this upcoming
year.
>
> Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
> this team.

Big yes to Schneider.
>
> Hasek: No. I've indicated in here prior to the season when they signed
> him I didn't feel comfortable with his style of play. Yes, he played
> well, made a few outstanding plays and had a good season, but once
> again, the same as in 2002, I believe his GAA and Save % were good due
> to the solid defense of the Wings. I also believe he was more lucky
> than good when he flopped to make saves. His habit of coming out of
> the net and flopping, IMO cost a few goals that could have been a
> deciding factor in games. He makes the team work harder for goals. If
> you view game 6, he flops and has no idea where the puck is. Because
> of this, it cost two goals. I prefer a goalie who will make an effort
> to find the puck instead of "hoping" it's under him.
> Also, as he becomes older, there's an increase injury factor for his
> groin as well as other potential injuries.
>
No and yes, to Hasek as well. I am not worried about his health. His new
regime of yoga and the 15 lbs or so he lost last summer did alot. It
showed. He brought the team quite far. I would take him on the cheap again
with an incentive based contract only. I am not a big fan of his theatrics
on the ice but he did eliminate the theatrics OFF the ice. But I would
prefer Detroit goes out to get Cam Ward or (gasp) Guigere. Both are FA and
I would love to see JS in Red. Perfect scenario for me. Just hoping there
is no Conn Smythe for him this year- will up his ante even more.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:45 pm
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"finsfan" wrote in message

>
> "SBH" wrote in message
>
>> As the end of the season begins and the free agency will soon begin,
>> who would you like to see go or stay and why?
>>
>> Bertuzzi: Yes. Because of his size as well as his play. If he can heal
>> the back for next year and return 100%, he'll be a great asset to the
>> organization.
>
> Yes for the right price he will be great. Size alone is the best factor
> for me. He said all the right things in the Free Press- my new home here,
> love it here and he's close to his permanent home in Kitchener, Ont.
>
>>
>> Kyle Calder: Though he isn't returning anyway, I agree with this
>> choice. He made a quick name with some good plays and goals at the
>> introduction stage with the Wings, but failed ti impress after that
>> and obviously, was absent from the playoffs.
>
> He should go- didn't work out.
>>
>> Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
>> positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
>> in for his experience and determination.
>
> Love to have Chelios back again. He joked in SI he can play 'til he's
> fifty- I believe it. He's been great for Markov, big help.
>
>>
>> Hudler: Yes. Has progressed more so this year even with little playing
>> time. He can still learn more and will be a great asset.
>
> Definitely yes. This kid has great potential
>>
>> Lang: No. Just wasn't showing up this year. Had some good moments but
>> no longer the force he was in the past.
>
> Lang better not be back.
>>
>> Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
>> the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.
>
> Markov is one of my new favourites- his aggressiveness is what I like. He
> seems to be alot like his brother and I see a big jump for him this
> upcoming year.

HA! My boss will eat this. No relation to Andrei!!!!! God I look like
shite!


>>
>> Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
>> this team.
>
> Big yes to Schneider.
>>
>> Hasek: No. I've indicated in here prior to the season when they signed
>> him I didn't feel comfortable with his style of play. Yes, he played
>> well, made a few outstanding plays and had a good season, but once
>> again, the same as in 2002, I believe his GAA and Save % were good due
>> to the solid defense of the Wings. I also believe he was more lucky
>> than good when he flopped to make saves. His habit of coming out of
>> the net and flopping, IMO cost a few goals that could have been a
>> deciding factor in games. He makes the team work harder for goals. If
>> you view game 6, he flops and has no idea where the puck is. Because
>> of this, it cost two goals. I prefer a goalie who will make an effort
>> to find the puck instead of "hoping" it's under him.
>> Also, as he becomes older, there's an increase injury factor for his
>> groin as well as other potential injuries.
>>
> No and yes, to Hasek as well. I am not worried about his health. His new
> regime of yoga and the 15 lbs or so he lost last summer did alot. It
> showed. He brought the team quite far. I would take him on the cheap
> again with an incentive based contract only. I am not a big fan of his
> theatrics on the ice but he did eliminate the theatrics OFF the ice. But
> I would prefer Detroit goes out to get Cam Ward or (gasp) Guigere. Both
> are FA and I would love to see JS in Red. Perfect scenario for me. Just
> hoping there is no Conn Smythe for him this year- will up his ante even
> more.
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:43 am
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>> Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
>> the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.
>
>My Hope: I could care less, he's insignificant
>If I were a fan: I could care less, he's insignificant

I thought Markov played very solid defense damn near all season. I
wouldn't mind it a bit if the Avs signed him.

Chris
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:03 am
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>>>>Chelios: Yes. Still provides an asset with his grit and good play
>>>>positioning. Not much fire power as Schneider or Lidstrom, but he fits
>>>>in for his experience and determination.
>>>
>>>Still one of the best penalty-killing d-men in the league.
>>
>>Is Dan Dierdorf posting as Walkindude now? Every single Sunday:
>>"That was the best tackle that I have EVER seen!"
>>"That was the best open field play that I have EVER seen!"
>>"That was the best block that I have EVER seen!"
>>"That was the best catch that I have EVER seen!"
>
>Yes, I certainly have that kind of track record.

You certainly don't, which is why it surprised me. IMO, your
statement overrated the guy.

>>>>Markov: Yes. Solid D man who likes to hit, though my only concern is
>>>>the aggressiveness can lead to more injuries.
>>>
>>>Love Markov. Definitely.
>>
>>Keep him for sure. He played well for you guys. I wouldn't mind if
>>the Avs signed either Markov this offseason (I think they're both
>>UFAs).
>
>You may have a chance at Markov, as I don't think we can afford
>Schneider *and* Markov. As much as I like Markov, what Schneider
>gives us on the offensive end is harder to replace than what Markov
>brings to the table.

In our case, we've got players who are solid offensive contributors
from the blueline. A couple of good ones, in fact. What we need is
someone who can stop the other guys.

>>>>Schneider: Hell yes. No explanation needed. He's a great asset for
>>>>this team.
>>>
>>>Only if we can manage the right salary for him. In a perfect world,
>>>I'd like to see him stick for a year or two until Kindl's ready.
>>
>>That's the key. He's a good player, and you guys missed him in the
>>Anaheim series.
>
>It's painful watching Samuellsson try to play his role at the point.

Yes, it was. I think Babcock did a wonderful job with the Wings this
season, and particularly this postseason. But, if I were to question
one thing, it would be Samuellsson back there. Honestly, I would have
put Chelios on the point. He's way past his prime as an offensive
defenseman, but in his day, he was pretty damn good at it, and he
certainly would have been better than what they ended up doing out
there.

Chris
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<SNIP>

Dude, are you serious? How about you put the same effort into looking
a decade back into all of YOUR posts, and do the same analysis?

I'm just thinking about the amount of time you must have put into that
thing and shaking my head. That's almost as pathetic as that Thomas
Encyclopedia thing Eric did a few years back.

And BTW, Finger has played NHL games. :-)

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On Sun, 27 May 2007 11:03:32 -0600, Chris wrote:

>>>>Still one of the best penalty-killing d-men in the league.
>>>
>>>Is Dan Dierdorf posting as Walkindude now? Every single Sunday:
>>>"That was the best tackle that I have EVER seen!"
>>>"That was the best open field play that I have EVER seen!"
>>>"That was the best block that I have EVER seen!"
>>>"That was the best catch that I have EVER seen!"
>>
>>Yes, I certainly have that kind of track record.
>
>You certainly don't, which is why it surprised me. IMO, your
>statement overrated the guy.

And then you completely clipped the portion where I discussed how
playing D on the PK allows you to play in space, rather than the
entire sheet of ice, negating the effects of reduced foot speed and
allowing you to succeed on tenacity and positioning.

Oh well. Discussion is overrated anyway.

>>>>Only if we can manage the right salary for him. In a perfect world,
>>>>I'd like to see him stick for a year or two until Kindl's ready.
>>>
>>>That's the key. He's a good player, and you guys missed him in the
>>>Anaheim series.
>>
>>It's painful watching Samuellsson try to play his role at the point.
>
>Yes, it was. I think Babcock did a wonderful job with the Wings this
>season, and particularly this postseason. But, if I were to question
>one thing, it would be Samuellsson back there. Honestly, I would have
>put Chelios on the point. He's way past his prime as an offensive
>defenseman, but in his day, he was pretty damn good at it, and he
>certainly would have been better than what they ended up doing out
>there.

He switched on and off with Chelios for a while in the playoffs, but
his hands were sort of tied. Schneider is choice 1A, Kronwall is
choice 1B. With Kronwall and Schneider down, there's only one real
offensive d-man on the roster and there's no Fedorov or Yzerman on
this roster; a forward you can trust from the point, if need be.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:39 pm
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"Chris" wrote in message

>
> <SNIP>
>
> Dude, are you serious? How about you put the same effort into looking
> a decade back into all of YOUR posts, and do the same analysis?
>
> I'm just thinking about the amount of time you must have put into that
> thing and shaking my head. That's almost as pathetic as that Thomas
> Encyclopedia thing Eric did a few years back.
>
> And BTW, Finger has played NHL games. :-)
>
> Chris


Chris. Why are you so nieve to this oddball's existence? I mean really. If
he weren't an Avs fan do you really think you'd feel the same as you do
about the idiot?
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:39:37 -0400, "Bushay"
wrote:

>
>"Chris" wrote in message
>
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> Dude, are you serious? How about you put the same effort into looking
>> a decade back into all of YOUR posts, and do the same analysis?
>>
>> I'm just thinking about the amount of time you must have put into that
>> thing and shaking my head. That's almost as pathetic as that Thomas
>> Encyclopedia thing Eric did a few years back.
>>
>> And BTW, Finger has played NHL games. :-)
>>
>> Chris
>
>
>Chris. Why are you so nieve to this oddball's existence? I mean really. If
>he weren't an Avs fan do you really think you'd feel the same as you do
>about the idiot?

As I've said many times - I've disagreed with Thomas as much or more
than anyone in here.

It's the obsession you guys have with him that kills me. There are a
good 6 to 8 people in here who post nothing unless it concerns him.

Chris
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:12 pm
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"Chris" wrote in message

> On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:39:37 -0400, "Bushay"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris" wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> Dude, are you serious? How about you put the same effort into looking
>>> a decade back into all of YOUR posts, and do the same analysis?
>>>
>>> I'm just thinking about the amount of time you must have put into that
>>> thing and shaking my head. That's almost as pathetic as that Thomas
>>> Encyclopedia thing Eric did a few years back.
>>>
>>> And BTW, Finger has played NHL games. :-)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>>
>>Chris. Why are you so nieve to this oddball's existence? I mean really. If
>>he weren't an Avs fan do you really think you'd feel the same as you do
>>about the idiot?
>
> As I've said many times - I've disagreed with Thomas as much or more
> than anyone in here.

C'mon Chris. Get real.



>
> It's the obsession you guys have with him that kills me.


He definetally sparks contraversy




There are a
> good 6 to 8 people in here who post nothing unless it concerns him.



Well, he is very entertaining.
I ask you to put yourself on this side of the fence and tell me you wouldnt
want to voice your opinion when the idiot make so many outlandish remarks. I
mean, why do you think there was a Thomaspedia in the first place or what
Doug has been saving for what looks like {years}! Neither one of those 2
ever had a problem with anyone else. Dont you think its possible you have
some sort of blinders on defending him when you do?
Doug. Your a good guy and I dont have a problem with you. Just wondering why
your level headedness cant see thru his hustle.
Now Walk opened my eyes a bit when he told me he wouldnt want him to
leave because the group would become dead. But at least call him out
sometimes when he doesnt take his medicine. He goes off on you sometimes and
you seem to back off like he's your Dad yelling at you. Get yourself some
balls will you!
Seems he'll talk to you like a dog and in the very next post compliment you
or Elz and because of that everything seems to be cool. I just dont
understand it.
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